Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Dear Friends, This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - why do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings here- whether or not they are true? Arent we here as disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this list as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in our lives? In this context how does discussing whether other beings are good or bad help us? Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge only after one has had personal experiences. Why discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. I know what some may say- it is important to discus evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant here... just my 2c bala --- SoulQuest7 wrote: > In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:11:41 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > lilymoonjewel writes: > > > > <,I have been reading some of the debates on Sai > Baba can you please tell me > > if you are in favore him or not or is it a mix > thing.....I don't know how I > > feel about him I have heard rumors about what he > has done but his teachings > > are inspiring....if anyone has more info let me > know please.....>> > > > > Sai Baba proves that you can SAY all sorts of > wonderful things but still be > > filled with self-deception and vicious > abusivenenss. In 26 years of > > studying Eastern religions, he has one of the > worst case histories I've > > ever come across. -=== Jai Ma-=-= Nick P.S. > Here's 4 links....read on > > if you can stomach it. > > <A > HREF="http://lists.tamil.com/lists/politics/2000-11/msg00015.html">The > Findings - Sai Baba</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/dark_e.htm">Sai > Baba: the "Bad Side"</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/shirl_e.htm">A > letter from an ex-Sai officer</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/hs_e.htm">Sai > Baba: how it works</A> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 It's always good to discuss things if they affect or could affect a sadhak in a good or bad way. The problem with the Sai Baba discussions is that there's no real evidence being presented to fairly discriminate the truth, and as you've said this is an Amma list so discussing those details isn't for here. There's plenty of published accounts on the web for people to do their own research and discriminate their own decisions. Those who need to find the truth in that matter should make the effort to do that. I already have, and as I've said, having discriminated the accuser's accounts I don't feel there's enough evidence presented to support it. In the case of other famous "abusive gurus" there is enough evidence in the accounts to believe that abuse did occur. tom Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - why > do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings > here- whether or not they are true? Arent we here as > disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this list > as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences > with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in our > lives? > In this context how does discussing whether other > beings are good or bad help us? > > Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge > only after one has had personal experiences. Why > discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. > > I know what some may say- it is important to discus > evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged > defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant here... > > just my 2c > > bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 In a message dated 10/30/02 4:47:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, balakrishnan_sh writes: > Arent we here as > disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this list > as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences > with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in our > lives? > [soapbox] I thought so! If people really feel that big of a need to criticize Sai Baba, I would think they could *make their own mailing list for it* rather than keep trying to force other communities to provide them with the attention and audience they crave. [/soapbox] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 --- balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - > why > do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings > here- whether or not they are true? Aren't we here as > disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this > list > as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences > with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in > our > lives? Dears , Yes this is not the place to talk about Sai never the less, It is not nice just to throw someone out , because they had a question , more maybe they felt extremely sad, we dont know the circumstances, Amma herself sad that the most difficult Devotees to regain trust are for those who left a false Guru , She welcomes them , into their embrace, and does not throw them out just because they asked a question . Maybe Amma would not answer them Who is false or not, with Her physical words, maybe the answer is in silence, Who ever it was posting such questions regarding any Guru , the answer is in silence You know what is right what is wrong , Lots of luck and love to All Joanna SP. > In this context how does discussing whether other > beings are good or bad help us? > > Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge > only after one has had personal experiences. Why > discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. > > I know what some may say- it is important to discus > evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged > defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant > here... > > just my 2c > > bala > --- SoulQuest7 wrote: > > In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:11:41 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, > > lilymoonjewel writes: > > > > > > > <,I have been reading some of the debates on Sai > > Baba can you please tell me > > > if you are in favore him or not or is it a mix > > thing.....I don't know how I > > > feel about him I have heard rumors about what he > > has done but his teachings > > > are inspiring....if anyone has more info let me > > know please.....>> > > > > > > Sai Baba proves that you can SAY all sorts of > > wonderful things but still be > > > filled with self-deception and vicious > > abusivenenss. In 26 years of > > > studying Eastern religions, he has one of the > > worst case histories I've > > > ever come across. -=== Jai Ma-=-= Nick P.S. > > Here's 4 links....read on > > > if you can stomach it. > > > <A > > > HREF="http://lists.tamil.com/lists/politics/2000-11/msg00015.html">The > > Findings - Sai Baba</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/dark_e.htm">Sai > > Baba: the "Bad Side"</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/shirl_e.htm">A > > letter from an ex-Sai officer</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/hs_e.htm">Sai > > Baba: how it works</A> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs./ > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 my email was not to degrade or disrespect anyone here but I am a devotee of God and God alone how ever God my be preceieved I only had a question...that was it. No offense to anyone..... balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: Dear Friends, This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - why do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings here- whether or not they are true? Arent we here as disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this list as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in our lives? In this context how does discussing whether other beings are good or bad help us? Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge only after one has had personal experiences. Why discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. I know what some may say- it is important to discus evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant here... just my 2c bala --- SoulQuest7 wrote: > In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:11:41 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > lilymoonjewel writes: > > > > <,I have been reading some of the debates on Sai > Baba can you please tell me > > if you are in favore him or not or is it a mix > thing.....I don't know how I > > feel about him I have heard rumors about what he > has done but his teachings > > are inspiring....if anyone has more info let me > know please.....>> > > > > Sai Baba proves that you can SAY all sorts of > wonderful things but still be > > filled with self-deception and vicious > abusivenenss. In 26 years of > > studying Eastern religions, he has one of the > worst case histories I've > > ever come across. -=== Jai Ma-=-= Nick P.S. > Here's 4 links....read on > > if you can stomach it. > > <A > HREF="http://lists.tamil.com/lists/politics/2000-11/msg00015.html">The > Findings - Sai Baba</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/dark_e.htm">Sai > Baba: the "Bad Side"</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/shirl_e.htm">A > letter from an ex-Sai officer</A> > > <A > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/hs_e.htm">Sai > Baba: how it works</A> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs./ Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 well said and thank you I also agreed with I think it was Tom thank you I only seen people discussing it and was curious ... joanna pollner <joannapollner wrote:--- balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - > why > do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings > here- whether or not they are true? Aren't we here as > disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this > list > as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences > with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in > our > lives? Dears , Yes this is not the place to talk about Sai never the less, It is not nice just to throw someone out , because they had a question , more maybe they felt extremely sad, we dont know the circumstances, Amma herself sad that the most difficult Devotees to regain trust are for those who left a false Guru , She welcomes them , into their embrace, and does not throw them out just because they asked a question . Maybe Amma would not answer them Who is false or not, with Her physical words, maybe the answer is in silence, Who ever it was posting such questions regarding any Guru , the answer is in silence You know what is right what is wrong , Lots of luck and love to All Joanna SP. > In this context how does discussing whether other > beings are good or bad help us? > > Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge > only after one has had personal experiences. Why > discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. > > I know what some may say- it is important to discus > evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged > defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant > here... > > just my 2c > > bala > --- SoulQuest7 wrote: > > In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:11:41 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, > > lilymoonjewel writes: > > > > > > > <,I have been reading some of the debates on Sai > > Baba can you please tell me > > > if you are in favore him or not or is it a mix > > thing.....I don't know how I > > > feel about him I have heard rumors about what he > > has done but his teachings > > > are inspiring....if anyone has more info let me > > know please.....>> > > > > > > Sai Baba proves that you can SAY all sorts of > > wonderful things but still be > > > filled with self-deception and vicious > > abusivenenss. In 26 years of > > > studying Eastern religions, he has one of the > > worst case histories I've > > > ever come across. -=== Jai Ma-=-= Nick P.S. > > Here's 4 links....read on > > > if you can stomach it. > > > <A > > > HREF="http://lists.tamil.com/lists/politics/2000-11/msg00015.html">The > > Findings - Sai Baba</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/dark_e.htm">Sai > > Baba: the "Bad Side"</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/shirl_e.htm">A > > letter from an ex-Sai officer</A> > > > <A > > > HREF="http://www.geocities.com/p_holbach/eng/hs_e.htm">Sai > > Baba: how it works</A> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs./ > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs./ Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 aum namah sivayah: we all are the children of AMMA, being so why we want to bring out some sites which bring out negative values as what Telly Brooke wrote about BABA.It is purely his thoughts which originated from his mind and subsided within, which he published as a book and made money out of it smartly,either with the power of money or anti spiritual/other religestic organisation. As a a child of AMMA better abstain from these character assassin type of article. Secondly what is the logic behind bringing ABA here and criticising, leave BABA alone. BABA is BABA and AMMA is AMMA. Bringing these kind of items unnecessarily unknowingly why should become a media of spreading negative thoughts. Hope related authorities take care of this and initiate to make this area of media more creative in a positive way. Praying to AMMA to provide a clear thinking to those who involved. aum namah sivayah. Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel wrote: well said and thank you I also agreed with I think it was Tom thank you I only seen people discussing it and was curious ... joanna pollner <joannapollner wrote:--- balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > This is an Amma list- a list dedicated to Amma - > why > do we need to discuss the defects of other Beings > here- whether or not they are true? Aren't we here as > disciples/devotees of Amma who want to use this > list > as a means to share Amma stories, share experiences > with Amma and how to incorporate Her teachings in > our > lives? Dears , Yes this is not the place to talk about Sai never the less, It is not nice just to throw someone out , because they had a question , more maybe they felt extremely sad, we dont know the circumstances, Amma herself sad that the most difficult Devotees to regain trust are for those who left a false Guru , She welcomes them , into their embrace, and does not throw them out just because they asked a question . Maybe Amma would not answer them Who is false or not, with Her physical words, maybe the answer is in silence, Who ever it was posting such questions regarding any Guru , the answer is in silence You know what is right what is wrong , Lots of luck and love to All Joanna SP. > In this context how does discussing whether other > beings are good or bad help us? > > Whether it is Baba or anybody else, one can judge > only after one has had personal experiences. Why > discuss them here- doesnt help anyone spiritually. > > I know what some may say- it is important to discus > evrything in the open etc- but i feel the alleged > defects of another Guru/person are irrelevant > here... > > just my 2c > > bala > --- SoulQuest7 wrote: > > In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:11:41 PM Pacific > > Standard Time, > > lilymoonjewel writes: > > > > > > > <,I have been reading some of the debates on Sai > > Baba can you please tell me > > > if you are in favore him or not or is it a mix > > thing.....I don't know how I > > > feel about him I have heard rumors about what he > > has done but his teachings > > > are inspiring....if anyone has more info let me > > know please.....>> > > > > > > Sai Baba proves that you can SAY all sorts of > > wonderful things but still be > > > filled with self-deception and vicious > > abusivenenss. In 26 years of > > > studying Eastern religions, he has one of the > > worst case histories I've > > > ever come across. Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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