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Hi siblings,

 

Here in the US the news is full of saber rattling against Iraq.

Anyone else out there inspired to do anything special for peace?

 

Yesterday someone told me that an artist who has built several peace

walls (sounds counterintuitive but, that's just my opinion) was

inspired by a note she saw saying "Do something today for peace."

 

We can do things privately or within our satsangs or with the outside

communities. These days all three seem like a good idea to me.

 

I've been making candles and giving them away to people. They have a

label saying they are peace candles with a variety of instructions on

how to use them for peace. The inspiration was our lighting our

little candles and chanting "Om. LokaaH samastaH sukinoH bhavantu"

after 9/11.

 

Aikya

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om amritesvaryai namah

 

my personal opinion, as regards activism, is that praying with tears,

meditating, or devotedly chanting one's mantra or otherwise doing sincere

sadhana is more of an effective counterbalance than thousands of protesters

marching or a million altruistic gestures made....the former radiates peace,

the only thing to quell the prevailing atmosphere of agitation (which itself

lies at the root of all the world's ills, the agitated mind giving rise to

all other forms of unrest, war just being its extreme), and the latter only

creates more agitation, and is more often than not just an opportunity for

our small egos to dissolve itself in the thrill of a larger group ego, which

is the reason why the enthusiasm of the crowd is such a drug to so

many....but its still just ego....

 

quiet the mind, nurture the light within, and then you can do something

useful for others by being an luminous example of living, breathing

peace.....political activism and the like are extremely weak and unsteady

forms of change, and if we want a true, lasting peace, the greatest

contribution we can make is to lose ourselves at the Feet of the Guru, and

let Her direct our actions, becoming limbs of Her all-knowing

intelligence...She knows what to do, not we...and there is no more an

effective force than Consciousness-Force, ParaShakti Herself.

 

which is not to say that outer actions have no usefulness....they should

just be the natural flowerings of our inner realisation....then and only

then do they attain any power to make an enduring impression...

 

just my view....pranams....

 

In Amma,

~sucetas mon~

om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

 

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Interesting. I didn't mention or ask about political activism. I'm

not opposed to it at all either. In the US thye could be considered

part of a citizen's duty.I like all your reminders, Sucetas. All good

ideas.

 

One woman who is senior to me hadthe practice of going through the

qualities of a godly person (vs. a demonic person) listed in the

Bhagavad Gita. She would take one each week and focus on developing

it or showing it more in her life.

 

That was how I was thinking of this war vs. peace issue. The media

is promoting war. So I wonder what I am doing to promote peace

within myself, within my house, my neighborhood, my state, etc. I

don't want to have an answer but just to inquire and do more to

promote peace.

 

The candle idea came from a dream. In this waking dream, I was making

candles. I haven't made candles for 30 years so it was odd. I asked

Amma -- in my mind, you know -- what was all this about making

candles. After two or three days I got a litle exasperated. There

had been no "answer." I said a prayer to lead me to the purpose for

the candle making dream. Shortly thereafter I found myself listening

to a radio program in which Iraqi Americans were being interviewed

regarding their feelings about the impending war. Very poignant. I

said a thank you prayer to Amma because I understood that the candles

should be peace candles. The rest is evolving.

 

Lately I have peace on my mind a lot. Ammachi surely does everything

she possibly can to increase world peace. Maybe I should be doing

something or other in my setting since here I am and Amma is busy

doing what she does wherever in the world she is right now.

 

Aikya

 

 

 

Ammachi, "sucetas mon" <sucetas@h...> wrote:

> om amritesvaryai namah

>

> my personal opinion, as regards activism, is that praying with

tears,

> meditating, or devotedly chanting one's mantra or otherwise doing

sincere

> sadhana is more of an effective counterbalance than thousands of

protesters

> marching or a million altruistic gestures made....the former

radiates peace,

> the only thing to quell the prevailing atmosphere of agitation

(which itself

> lies at the root of all the world's ills, the agitated mind giving

rise to

> all other forms of unrest, war just being its extreme), and the

latter only

> creates more agitation, and is more often than not just an

opportunity for

> our small egos to dissolve itself in the thrill of a larger group

ego, which

> is the reason why the enthusiasm of the crowd is such a drug to so

> many....but its still just ego....

>

> quiet the mind, nurture the light within, and then you can do

something

> useful for others by being an luminous example of living, breathing

> peace.....political activism and the like are extremely weak and

unsteady

> forms of change, and if we want a true, lasting peace, the greatest

> contribution we can make is to lose ourselves at the Feet of the

Guru, and

> let Her direct our actions, becoming limbs of Her all-knowing

> intelligence...She knows what to do, not we...and there is no more

an

> effective force than Consciousness-Force, ParaShakti Herself.

>

> which is not to say that outer actions have no usefulness....they

should

> just be the natural flowerings of our inner realisation....then and

only

> then do they attain any power to make an enduring impression...

>

> just my view....pranams....

>

> In Amma,

> ~sucetas mon~

> om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

>

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--- "Aikya Param <aikya" <aikya

wrote:

> Hi siblings,

>

> Here in the US the news is full of saber rattling

> against Iraq.

> Anyone else out there inspired to do anything

> special for peace?

>

> Yesterday someone told me that an artist who has

> built several peace

> walls (sounds counterintuitive but, that's just my

> opinion) was

> inspired by a note she saw saying "Do something

> today for peace."

>

> We can do things privately or within our satsangs or

> with the outside

> communities. These days all three seem like a good

> idea to me.

>

> I've been making candles and giving them away to

> people. They have a

> label saying they are peace candles with a variety

> of instructions on

> how to use them for peace. The inspiration was our

> lighting our

> little candles and chanting "Om. LokaaH samastaH

> sukinoH bhavantu"

> after 9/11.

>

> Aikya

>

> Nama Shivaya

 

That is a very beautiful gesture , Amma's

Energy certainly is there , I chant Sri Lalhita

Sahasranama , and Sri Suktam as guided by

Karunamayi, it is a very powerful healing and

protecting for Mother Earth at these times , also

I have not been to any protests , I belive they are

good , praying is very important but action too.

Amma Herself does not just sit and pray , Amma goes to

 

the world and physically helps people also ! so our

actions besides praying are important too . Me and my

husband try to help people even just with

conversation, and are not afraid to speak the truth if

 

such is the need , this also helps and most of all

asking for Amma's guidance in all prayers or actions

is very important .

 

 

Peace Love of the Heart to All

 

Joanna P.

 

 

 

 

 

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om amritesvaryai namah

 

actually, Aikya, i wasn't responding to your email, per se....just some

passing thoughts on the general idea of promoting peace....i actually

thought your candle idea was a beautiful one...

 

didn't mean to sound as if in opposition, if i did...

 

pranams...

 

In Amma,

~sucetas mon~

om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

 

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om amritesvaryai namah

 

sorry, just one more....then i'll shut up...;)

 

i wasn't saying action isn't necessary....but people, even spiritual people

seem to always downplay prayer and meditation and these things as if to say,

"sure, they help, but REAL change only comes from getting out there and

doing something...", etc....

this is, in my opinion, a false and backward idea...real prayer, real

meditation, real inner, spiritual development, - INCLUDING working in the

world, but as karma yoga, in the spirit of self-giving, prayer, surrender -

does far more good than making a few little relatively insignificant outer

adjustments to an inherently flawed human condition.....a condition which

won't change when you play by its rules, i.e. trying to fix things with the

mind. the suffering of this world is due to spiritual ignorance, at its

root, and by trying to apply a remedy that ignorance itself has devised

seems a counter-productive method...it is in this vein that i choose to

downplay social activism as a method toward real and lasting Peace.

 

even Mother is quick to point out that, yes while we must consider it our

Dharma to help others, and serve them selflessly, it is the SERVING

SELFLESSLY which She emphasises as the only thing that qualifies the act as

spiritual and of worth, and capable of effecting a real, lasting

change...and this even, not so much because it effects a real lasting change

in the outer world, though that is a natural result, but because it makes a

lasting change one in oneself, and in those who see and emulate your

example....its a change in Consciousness that She, and all Sages speak of,

and this change is what makes one eventually become incapable of doing

anything harmful, whose very breath is a benefit to the world, and whose

every action heals.

 

but moderns, and especially the western-minded, have no real faith anymore

in the subtler side of things...only what comes with an immediate result do

we believe, even though that result rarely has any staying power....the

spiritual result is too often conspicuously underemphasised when these

social works and betterings are done, especially because they are done

almost exclusively with the fruit of the labor in mind, and this, as Sri

Krishna taught, and Amma re-teaches is the very attitude one must lose, as

it does no real good for oneself, and by extension anyone else....even

seeking altruistic fruits is a barrier, as it is God's Will, not ours, which

will be done...our priorities are naturally a little askew in this Kali

Yuga.

 

i guess i tend to feel compelled very often to sort of take the stance of

emphasising this perspective, that silent acts of meditation and devotion

and prayer and such act more as a counterbalance than people give them

credit for, and it this that is our Dharma, as spiritual aspirants....yes,

doing our outward part, but making a priority of surrendering and relying

more on God's than on our own effort is the attitude i think is most

helpful...

 

in the final analysis, you aren't doing anything for anyone...it is God,

doing God for God....

let us realise God. let us find Amma within. let us use ALL our energy and

concentration for this alone, and THEN we can be of use....until then we are

nothing, doing nothing for nothing....

 

and again, this all began just as a passing sparrow of a thought, which i

promptly turned into a giant slow moving and oppresive zeppelin looming over

our heads.....i truly say this with love y'all...i only have our spiritual

progress in mind, not to suggest that i've got it figured out or can guide

in any way....and its likely i will change my views at some point, but for

now this seems right to me, and i felt like sharing...

please forgive me if i offend anyone, as i'm smiling and in the most jovial

of spirits as i write this, despite the somber gravitas....

 

now, back to my cave i retreat for mauna vrata.....pranams...

 

In Amma,

~sucetas mon~

om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

 

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--- sucetas mon <sucetas wrote:

>

> om amritesvaryai namah

>

> sorry, just one more....then i'll shut up...;)

>

> i wasn't saying action isn't necessary....but

> people, even spiritual people

> seem to always downplay prayer and meditation and

> these things as if to say,

> "sure, they help, but REAL change only comes from

> getting out there and

> doing something...", etc....

> this is, in my opinion, a false and backward

> idea...real prayer, real

> meditation, real inner, spiritual development, -

> INCLUDING working in the

> world, but as karma yoga, in the spirit of

> self-giving, prayer, surrender -

> does far more good than making a few little

> relatively insignificant outer

> adjustments to an inherently flawed human

> condition.....a condition which

> won't change when you play by its rules, i.e. trying

> to fix things with the

> mind. the suffering of this world is due to

> spiritual ignorance, at its

> root, and by trying to apply a remedy that ignorance

> itself has devised

> seems a counter-productive method...it is in this

> vein that i choose to

> downplay social activism as a method toward real and

> lasting Peace.

>

> even Mother is quick to point out that, yes while we

> must consider it our

> Dharma to help others, and serve them selflessly, it

> is the SERVING

> SELFLESSLY which She emphasises as the only thing

> that qualifies the act as

> spiritual and of worth, and capable of effecting a

> real, lasting

> change...and this even, not so much because it

> effects a real lasting change

> in the outer world, though that is a natural result,

> but because it makes a

> lasting change one in oneself, and in those who see

> and emulate your

> example....its a change in Consciousness that She,

> and all Sages speak of,

> and this change is what makes one eventually become

> incapable of doing

> anything harmful, whose very breath is a benefit to

> the world, and whose

> every action heals.

>

> but moderns, and especially the western-minded,

> have no real faith anymore

> in the subtler side of things...only what comes with

> an immediate result do

> we believe, even though that result rarely has any

> staying power....the

> spiritual result is too often conspicuously

> underemphasised when these

> social works and betterings are done, especially

> because they are done

> almost exclusively with the fruit of the labor in

> mind, and this, as Sri

> Krishna taught, and Amma re-teaches is the very

> attitude one must lose, as

> it does no real good for oneself, and by extension

> anyone else....even

> seeking altruistic fruits is a barrier, as it is

> God's Will, not ours, which

> will be done...our priorities are naturally a little

> askew in this Kali

> Yuga.

>

> i guess i tend to feel compelled very often to sort

> of take the stance of

> emphasising this perspective, that silent acts of

> meditation and devotion

> and prayer and such act more as a counterbalance

> than people give them

> credit for, and it this that is our Dharma, as

> spiritual aspirants....yes,

> doing our outward part, but making a priority of

> surrendering and relying

> more on God's than on our own effort is the attitude

> i think is most

> helpful...

>

> in the final analysis, you aren't doing anything for

> anyone...it is God,

> doing God for God....

> let us realise God. let us find Amma within. let us

> use ALL our energy and

> concentration for this alone, and THEN we can be of

> use....until then we are

> nothing, doing nothing for nothing....

>

> and again, this all began just as a passing sparrow

> of a thought, which i

> promptly turned into a giant slow moving and

> oppresive zeppelin looming over

> our heads.....i truly say this with love y'all...i

> only have our spiritual

> progress in mind, not to suggest that i've got it

> figured out or can guide

> in any way....and its likely i will change my views

> at some point, but for

> now this seems right to me, and i felt like

> sharing...

> please forgive me if i offend anyone, as i'm smiling

> and in the most jovial

> of spirits as i write this, despite the somber

> gravitas....

>

> now, back to my cave i retreat for mauna

> vrata.....pranams...

>

> In Amma,

> ~sucetas mon~

> om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

>

>

I sincierely and whole heartedley share your views.

 

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Namah Shivaya Sucetas and other mons and mols,

 

appreciate your comments very much. have had little inclination to get out

in the streets like I did in earlier times. There is so much ego involved in

many of the actions people are taking. Hard to sort it out. Ww want to do

something about it all, no realizing we are not the doers at all. hard to

get across to the western mind. thanks for your effort.

 

There is a world wide peace meditation schedule for Sunday, February 9, noon

EST. Joining together in meditation seems appropriate.

 

May Amma guide us all to still mind.

 

premarupa

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

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--- Kenna <kenna wrote:

> Namah Shivaya Sucetas and other mons and mols,

>

> appreciate your comments very much. have had little

> inclination to get out

> in the streets like I did in earlier times. There is

> so much ego involved in

> many of the actions people are taking. Hard to sort

> it out. Ww want to do

> something about it all, no realizing we are not the

> doers at all. hard to

> get across to the western mind. thanks for your

Om Nama Shivaya ,

 

another quote I want to add, as someone mentioned

 

the importance of realizing oneself . Yes that is

very true before we attempt anything how do we change

the world for a better place ? Can We ?

 

Amma was once asked a question when will the

world change ? Amma responded " the world will change

when You will change ! "

 

 

Joanna P

 

 

 

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While I fully believe that the 'best' actions one can do is after

realizing oneself completely (just like what Amma and Sri Ramakrishna

had said), I also believe in "don't make the best the enemy of the

better".

 

I know I sound somewhat like the Devil's advocate, but it is not

true. The contrasting view also ties in with the age-old discussions

about self-effort vs Grace. Without self-effort (read 'better'

action), Grace (read 'the source of the best' action) is usually not

possible. And this is what Amma has always said too.

 

I tend to think that the argument that 'the best actions one can do

is only after realizing oneself completely' was reiterated by masters

when they perceived that the motive lurking behind that action had

even an iota of selfishness in it, and which is want they want to

weed out from such disciples.

 

Life is a real paradox, and how you interpret it can also complicate

things.... I know squat about interpreting life correctly, but these

are my two cents' contribution.

 

Jai Ma!

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--- joanna pollner <joannapollner wrote:

> --- Kenna <kenna wrote:

> > Namah Shivaya Sucetas and other mons and mols,

> >

> > appreciate your comments very much. have had

> little

> > inclination to get out

> > in the streets like I did in earlier times. There

> is

> > so much ego involved in

> > many of the actions people are taking. Hard to

> sort

> > it out. Ww want to do

> > something about it all, no realizing we are not

> the

> > doers at all. hard to

> > get across to the western mind. thanks for your

> Om Nama Shivaya ,

>

> another quote I want to add, as someone

> mentioned

>

> the importance of realizing oneself . Yes that is

> very true before we attempt anything how do we

> change

> the world for a better place ? Can We ?

>

> Amma was once asked a question when will the

> world change ? Amma responded " the world will

> change

> when You will change ! "

>

>

> Joanna P

 

I want to add another quote said by Mahatma Gandhi

"become the chnage you want to see".

 

Om Namah Shivaya.

Avinash.

 

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