RE: __Guru_Proposes_'Yogic_Flying'_As_Antidote_for_Global_Terrorism

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Hi Avinash

 

Werner is a westerner(dont know from which country) who was in ashram some

15 years ago.

 

As far as I know, he was a highly determined man who looked about 30 during

then( perhaps

due to his beards). He used to meditate for months, interrupted just once in

few weeks for

bare minimum food to sustain the body. His abode of meditation was the cave

built under the

kalari.

 

I had seen him just 2-3 times, mainly due to my curiosity to know, about

the strange

man who lives in the cave. Being a child, I used to sneak till the entrance

of the cave along

with the brahmacharin who is entitled to serve food for werner. The food was

kept at the entrance

of the cave. Werner may or may not take this,( if he comes out of

meditation).

 

The story is as this:

 

Mother often use to say, "Those who strictly follow, what i say could

attain realisation

in 3 years". Also, mother often used to emphasise on the need of intense

mediation. It is to be noted that

this emphasis seemed to be little more than that of today. These was the

days during which our

swami's ( Amritha swaroopananda puri, Amrithaathmaananda puri,

pranavaamritaananda puri, poornnaa-

mrithaananda puri and some others) used to do intense sadana under the aegis

of divine mother.

 

Given above is the part of story which I have seen. Rest is told by an

uncle, when I inquired

him about werner.

 

Hearing this, Werner too confident on his determination expressed his

desire for

uninterrupted meditation. According to the uncle who told me, Wener used to

say -"what others

need do for years, I could do in half the time".

 

Mother happly agreed for Werner's plea ( may be with a cunning benign smile

in her face).

It is said that, after several months of intense sadana, when Werner came

out of the cave,

he felt that the intensity of spiritual aura was much more in above

mentioned swami's than

in him. (it is said that, sadaaka's could see the aura ). Werner inquired to

mother about this

irony. Its said that, mother smiled at him and told "Son, seem like the, you

have forgotten, the

effect of Guru's grace and physical presence on ones sadana". Hearing this

werner became disappointed.

 

 

Later he went back to some western country(I dont know where).

 

That uncle also told me that : werner has visited mother some 2-3 years

before. He came

with a trained dog to be presented to mother. He told that mother was so

pleased to see werner

after a long time. But seem like mother didnt accept the dog.

 

These is the Werner story which I know. Though most part is personally

known to me,

certain parts, i am not aware of the authenticity. What ever might be the

case: The moral is

"With out Guru's grace acheivements in spiritual realm is exteremely

difficult, even with

intense dispassion and determination".

 

Ohm amritheswaryay namah

 

-manesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

avinash ramidi [avinash7_99]

Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:07 AM

Ammachi

Subject:

Re:__Guru_Proposes_'Yogic_Flying'_As_Antidote_for_Global_Terror

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--- sucetas mon <sucetas wrote:

>

> om amritesvaryai namah

>

> >>>She also emphasizes the'seva' aspect more than

> meditation (Is that an

> incorrect statement?).<<<

>

> actually, she emphasises seva AS meditation, and as

> necessary to purify the

> being and make one fit for meditation. She also says

> that if you can

> meditate all your waking hours, then by all means do

> so...but how many can?

> Werner could, but even he's left his cave...so,

> karma yoga is naturally just

> more appropriate for the majority.

>

> In Amma,

> ~sucetas mon~

> om lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu

>

>

I have a question, who is Werner. I never heard of

this personality.

 

Avinash

 

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--- Manesh <manesh.mohan wrote:

> Hi Avinash

>

> Werner is a westerner(dont know from which country)

> who was in ashram some

> 15 years ago.

>

>

>

> Manoj, how fascinating that you were a boy at

Amritapuri! My understanding is that Werner emerged

from his cave on March 16, either 2001 or 2002. I

believe it was 2001. I understand that he is living

at Tiruvannamali (sp?) with his wife now. I have a

friend at Amritapuri who spent many hours in the cave

with Werner, meditating and talking. It was a

surprise to me that many people came to W. for advice

when he was in the cave, and that he actually was

very tuned in to all the goings-on at the ashram.

 

Jyotsna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> swami's ( Amritha swaroopananda puri,

> Amrithaathmaananda puri,

> pranavaamritaananda puri, poornnaa-

> mrithaananda puri and some others) used to do

> intense sadana under the aegis

> of divine mother.

>

>

>

>

> Later he went back to some western country(I dont

> know where).

>

>

 

>

>

> avinash ramidi [avinash7_99]

> Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:07 AM

> Ammachi

> Subject:

>

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> ism

>

>

>

> --- sucetas mon <sucetas wrote:

> >

> > om amritesvaryai namah

> >

> > >>>She also emphasizes the'seva' aspect more than

> > meditation (Is that an

> > incorrect statement?).<<<

> >

> > actually, she emphasises seva AS meditation, and

> as

> > necessary to purify the

> > being and make one fit for meditation. She also

> says

> > that if you can

> > meditate all your waking hours, then by all means

> do

> > so...but how many can?

> > Werner could, but even he's left his cave...so,

>

>

>

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Ammachi, Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote:

>

> --- Manesh <manesh.mohan@w...> wrote:

> > Hi Avinash

> >

> > Werner is a westerner(dont know from which country)

> > who was in ashram some

> > 15 years ago.

> >

> >

> >

> > Manoj, how fascinating that you were a boy at

> Amritapuri!

 

Hi Jyotsna,

 

it is Manesh, not Manoj - 2 different guys! Also, wish I were a boy

at Amritapuri too. and . Thanks for putting that thought into my

head!!

 

Jai Ma!

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--- Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2 wrote:

>

> --- Manesh <manesh.mohan wrote:

> > Hi Avinash

> >

> > Werner is a westerner(dont know from which

> country)

> > who was in ashram some

> > 15 years ago.

> >

> >

> >

> > Manoj, how fascinating that you were a boy at

> Amritapuri! My understanding is that Werner emerged

> from his cave on March 16, either 2001 or 2002. I

> believe it was 2001. I understand that he is living

> at Tiruvannamali (sp?) with his wife now. I have a

> friend at Amritapuri who spent many hours in the

> cave

> with Werner, meditating and talking. It was a

> surprise to me that many people came to W. for

> advice

> when he was in the cave, and that he actually was

> very tuned in to all the goings-on at the ashram.

>

> Jyotsna

 

Its Amazing, I had been to Amritapuri twice, in July

1999 and Aug 2000. But no body said anything about

this personality, if not I would met him.

 

Avinash

om

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > swami's ( Amritha swaroopananda puri,

> > Amrithaathmaananda puri,

> > pranavaamritaananda puri, poornnaa-

> > mrithaananda puri and some others) used to do

> > intense sadana under the aegis

> > of divine mother.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Later he went back to some western country(I dont

> > know where).

> >

> >

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > avinash ramidi

> [avinash7_99]

> > Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:07 AM

> > Ammachi

> > Subject:

> >

>

Re:__Guru_Proposes_'Yogic_Flying'_As_Antidote_for_Global_Terror

> > ism

> >

> >

> >

> > --- sucetas mon <sucetas wrote:

> > >

> > > om amritesvaryai namah

> > >

> > > >>>She also emphasizes the'seva' aspect more

> than

> > > meditation (Is that an

> > > incorrect statement?).<<<

> > >

> > > actually, she emphasises seva AS meditation, and

> > as

> > > necessary to purify the

> > > being and make one fit for meditation. She also

> > says

> > > that if you can

> > > meditate all your waking hours, then by all

> means

> > do

> > > so...but how many can?

> > > Werner could, but even he's left his cave...so,

> >

> >

> >

>

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Ammachi, avinash ramidi <avinash7_99>

wrote:

>

> --- Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote:

> >

> > --- Manesh <manesh.mohan@w...> wrote:

> > > Hi Avinash

> > >

> > > Werner is a westerner(dont know from which

> > country)

> > > who was in ashram some

> > > 15 years ago.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoj, how fascinating that you were a boy at

> > Amritapuri! My understanding is that Werner emerged

> > from his cave on March 16, either 2001 or 2002. I

> > believe it was 2001. I understand that he is living

> > at Tiruvannamali (sp?) with his wife now. I have a

> > friend at Amritapuri who spent many hours in the

> > cave

> > with Werner, meditating and talking. It was a

> > surprise to me that many people came to W. for

> > advice

> > when he was in the cave, and that he actually was

> > very tuned in to all the goings-on at the ashram.

> >

> > Jyotsna

>

> Its Amazing, I had been to Amritapuri twice, in July

> 1999 and Aug 2000. But no body said anything about

> this personality, if not I would met him.

>

> Avinash

> om

 

I read about Werner's account in the book "Come Quickly, My Darling

Children". There is also a photo of him with Amma. It's funny, from

the account I read I didn't necessarily get the feeling that his

attainment was so significant, though, apparently, he spent countless

months in that meditation cave. It says, by the way, he's from

Switzerland.

 

Lisa