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This incident happened on September 14, Friday, 1984

in the Amritapuri ashram in India.

 

A few days ago, one of the ashram residents in

Amritapuri had transplanted a half-grown mango tree to

another spot in the ashram. Thinking that it did not

look good in its current location, and with the help

of other residents, he transplanted the sapling.

However, he did not consult Amma.

 

About a couple of days later Amma made an unannounced

inspection of the premises. On reaching a certain spot

she said, "Something is missing. What is it?" Everyone

turned pale; no one spoke. "Shiva! Where is the mango

tree!" Amma exclaimed. All remained silent. No one

dared to say a word. Amma once again enquired, "What

happened to the mango tree? Has someone cut it down?"

 

Finally one resident stepped forward, and in a very

feeble voice said, "Amma Nedumudi moved the tree from

here to the other side and we all helped him

transplant it."

 

"Where? Where did you plant it?" Amma said in a very

worried tone.

 

With the resident leading the way, Amma and the group

walked to the place where the mango tree had been

transplanted. Seeing its withered limbs, Amma called

out in a heart-broken tone, "Shivane! What did you do

to this tree? How could you do this? What a great sin

you have committed. Why didn't you ask me before you

moved it? I wouldn't have allowed you to do such a

thing. I can't bear the sight of this poor wilted

tree."

 

There was much pain and concern in Amma's words; Her

agony was even expressed on her face. She displayed

the feelings and concern of a mother for her hurt

child. Amma squatted down on the bare ground with her

head down and her hands on her forehead. Those who

stood near Amma noticed that she was wiping away

tears. While some wondered why Amma would cry over

such a silly matter, others were overwhelmed with

admiration for the divine love and compassion that she

could show toward all of nature, even toward plants.

Moved by Amma's emotion, some could not control their

own tears.

 

"Children, please do not destroy life like this ever

again. Such acts are not fitting for those on the

spiritual path. Our goal is to feel life everywhere.

We should avoid destruction. We have no right to

destroy. We cannot create; therefore we should not

destroy. Only God can create, sustain and destroy. All

three are beyond our capacity."

 

"We must remember that everything is sentient, that

everything is full of consciousness and life.

Everything exists in God."

 

"When Amma talks about the 'world', she is not talking

only about human beings. The 'world' includes

everything - humans and animals, plants and trees -

the whole of nature. It is true that human beings are

the most visibly evolved creatures, but that doesn't

mean other forms of life are without feelings. The

Vedas and the Upanishads say that everything is

pervaded by consciousness."

 

"Man is dependent on Nature for his very existence.

Nature is an indispensable part of life on earth.

Without Nature, no creature, not man nor anything

else, can live. Therefore, it is one of the foremost

duties to lovingly care for all living things."

 

Amma fasted that day, seeing the indiscriminate action

of her children.

 

Amma once again went up to the tree. This time she

embraced it and kissed its trunk. As if addressing the

very life of the tree or some deity which presided

over it, she spoke, "My children acted

indiscriminately. They are ignorant children. I

consider it my own fault. How can it be otherwise? I

have not taught them well enough for them to

understand and feel that there is life in all of

creation. I seek your forgiveness on my children's

behalf. Forgive them for their ignorant act. " Amma

once again embraced the tree and kissed it before

walking directly back to the ashram.

 

Everyone had thought that the tree was dead. It had

shed all its leaves and its young trunk had gone limp.

Not long after receiving mother's attention, the tree

slowly began to show signs of life. And now, to

everyone's great relief, it was again looking healthy

and well. Only now did the residents realize the

significance of Amma's embracing and kissing the tree.

In doing so, she must have transmitted new life into

it. Who can understand the meaning of Amma's

actions...

 

But we all know that at the substratum of all her

actions and words lies " true love".

 

Jai Ma,

Ravi

 

 

 

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Ravi:

 

> "Children, please do not destroy life like this ever

> again. Such acts are not fitting for those on the

> spiritual path. Our goal is to feel life everywhere.

> We should avoid destruction. We have no right to

> destroy. We cannot create; therefore we should not

> destroy. Only God can create, sustain and destroy. All

> three are beyond our capacity."

>

 

A very beautiful story you share with us!

 

Wish I was there. If I was, I might be tempted to ask Amma some questions:

 

Is the life of a flower any less important than the tree?

 

How about a weed? Is its live any less important? It is only our judgement

that separates flowers from weeds.

 

How about a blade of grass? Is its life any less important?

 

Or even cutting grass. Does that not do harm? Or cutting the blooms of the

flowers to adorn our Temples and houses and festive occassions.

 

Are we to let the weeds grow even if they choke out flowers? Even if they

choke out the plants that give us food to survive?

 

Or killing plants so we can extract their essences for our medicines?

 

If we fail to destroy some plant life, it would hinder our transportation

systems, prevent us from growing food and the planet would look like a

jungle.

 

How about the Ashram? Were trees and plants not destroyed in order to build

the Temple and buildings to house the residents and visitors?

 

Peter

 

 

 

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Ravi:

 

> Remember, the flower is a gift from the plant/tree on

> which it grows! The tree gives us fruits and flowers

> to enjoy just as the cow gives us its milk to nourish

> us.

>

 

Does the plant/tree really GIVE us the gift?

 

Does the tree GIVES us fruit?

 

Does the cow GIVES us milk?

 

The tree grows its fruits, but it is we who TAKE it.

 

The plant, tree, cow, etc. do not have a choice. We takefrom it what we want.

 

 

> The mango tree in the story below was apparently a

> good soul that was close to Ammachi!

>

 

Ah, Ravi, APPARENTLY! Isn't this what you read into the story? Amma made no

judgements about the tree's soul.

 

Peter

 

 

 

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Peter

 

AS an aswer to your questions, I would refer you to Awaken Children

Vol5 where Amma discusses the difference between 'legitimate use' and

'exploitation'. In that episode Amma chides an attendant for plucking

more leaves than was strictly necessary.

 

As regards Amma's reverence to all life, there are any number of

episodes for that. Once a devotee saw a bug near Amma and was about

to kill it.Amma stopped him from killing it, took the bug in Her

hands, kept it near Her cheek giving it darshan, asked for a piece of

cloth, put the bug in the cloth, put some flower petals in the cloth,

tied the cloth into a bundle, and asked the devotee to take the cloth

outside and release the bug carefully in the garden.

 

namah shivaya

 

bala

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- pwhite0130 wrote:

> Ravi:

>

> > "Children, please do not destroy life like this ever

> > again. Such acts are not fitting for those on the

> > spiritual path. Our goal is to feel life everywhere.

> > We should avoid destruction. We have no right to

> > destroy. We cannot create; therefore we should not

> > destroy. Only God can create, sustain and destroy. All

> > three are beyond our capacity."

> >

>

> A very beautiful story you share with us!

>

> Wish I was there. If I was, I might be tempted to ask Amma some

> questions:

>

> Is the life of a flower any less important than the tree?

>

> How about a weed? Is its live any less important? It is only our

> judgement

> that separates flowers from weeds.

>

> How about a blade of grass? Is its life any less important?

>

> Or even cutting grass. Does that not do harm? Or cutting the blooms

> of the

> flowers to adorn our Temples and houses and festive occassions.

>

> Are we to let the weeds grow even if they choke out flowers? Even

> if they

> choke out the plants that give us food to survive?

>

> Or killing plants so we can extract their essences for our

> medicines?

>

> If we fail to destroy some plant life, it would hinder our

> transportation

> systems, prevent us from growing food and the planet would look

> like a

> jungle.

>

> How about the Ashram? Were trees and plants not destroyed in order

> to build

> the Temple and buildings to house the residents and visitors?

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Om Namah Shivaya Peter,

Very valid questions. Here is what I think:

 

>Is the life of a flower any less important than the

> tree?

 

Remember, the flower is a gift from the plant/tree on

which it grows! The tree gives us fruits and flowers

to enjoy just as the cow gives us its milk to nourish

us.

 

 

> How about a weed? Is its live any less important? It

> is only our judgement that separates flowers from

weeds.

 

> How about a blade of grass? Is its life any less

> important?

 

> Are we to let the weeds grow even if they choke out

> flowers? Even if they

> choke out the plants that give us food to survive?

>

> Or killing plants so we can extract their essences

> for our medicines?

 

 

According to the Gita, every soul takes multiple

births and moves to higher and higher life forms as

per its karma. (We are at the top of the Karmic chain

and became human because once upon a time we have been

a plant, animal, etc and have done good deeds!)

 

Say you are a plant and by your destruction, medicines

are created to heal people. There you go, with 500

karmic bonus points! You can be a tree and if your

good again, you can be a small animal..till finally

one becomes a human. The human form is best adapted

for realization.

 

The mango tree in the story below was apparently a

good soul that was close to Ammachi!

 

Jai Ma,

Ravi

 

 

> > "Children, please do not destroy life like this

> > ever

> > again. Such acts are not fitting for those on the

> > spiritual path. Our goal is to feel life

> > everywhere.

> > We should avoid destruction. We have no right to

> > destroy. We cannot create; therefore we should not

> > destroy. Only God can create, sustain and destroy.

> > All three are beyond our capacity."

 

 

 

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--- Ravishankar Krishnan <ravkris wrote:

> Om Namah Shivaya Peter,

> Very valid questions. Here is what I think:

>

> >Is the life of a flower any less important than the

> > tree?

>

> Remember, the flower is a gift from the plant/tree

> on

> which it grows! The tree gives us fruits and flowers

> to enjoy just as the cow gives us its milk to

> nourish

> us.

>

>

> > How about a weed? Is its live any less important?

> It

> > is only our judgement that separates flowers from

>

> weeds.

>

> > How about a blade of grass? Is its life any less

> > important?

>

> > Are we to let the weeds grow even if they choke

> out

> > flowers? Even if they

> > choke out the plants that give us food to survive?

> >

> > Or killing plants so we can extract their essences

> > for our medicines?

>

>

> According to the Gita, every soul takes multiple

> births and moves to higher and higher life forms as

> per its karma. (We are at the top of the Karmic

> chain

> and became human because once upon a time we have

> been

> a plant, animal, etc and have done good deeds!)

>

> Say you are a plant and by your destruction,

> medicines

> are created to heal people. There you go, with 500

> karmic bonus points! You can be a tree and if your

> good again, you can be a small animal..till finally

> one becomes a human. The human form is best adapted

> for realization.

>

> The mango tree in the story below was apparently a

> good soul that was close to Ammachi!

>

> Jai Ma,

> Ravi

>

>

> > > "Children, please do not destroy life like this

> > > ever

> > > again. Such acts are not fitting for those on

> the

> > > spiritual path. Our goal is to feel life

> > > everywhere.

> > > We should avoid destruction. We have no right to

> > > destroy. We cannot create; therefore we should

> not

> > > destroy. Only God can create, sustain and

> destroy.

> > > All three are beyond our capacity."

 

om

Besides everything,In certain situations after

cremation of human body, ashes are mixed with the soil

and a new sapling is planted(recycle, giving and

taking back)

 

Namah Shivaya.

>

>

>

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--- pwhite0130 wrote:

> Ravi:

>

> > Remember, the flower is a gift from the plant/tree

> on

> > which it grows! The tree gives us fruits and

> flowers

> > to enjoy just as the cow gives us its milk to

> nourish

> > us.

> >

>

> Does the plant/tree really GIVE us the gift?

>

> Does the tree GIVES us fruit?

>

> Does the cow GIVES us milk?

>

> The tree grows its fruits, but it is we who TAKE it.

>

> The plant, tree, cow, etc. do not have a choice. We

> takefrom it what we want.

 

Yes we take milk from animals but we are not killing

the animlas, similarly we take fruits from trees but

we dont kill them.

 

Yes plants do have consciousness(proved by J.C. bose),

but it is very subtle and sublime, when some one feeds

on vegetables the suffering is much less than compared

to eating meat (where animals had be slaughtered in

pain and suffering). Then aren't tress depending on

nature like sun, water, soil and nutreints formed

after decomposition of animals and various plants. Its

a cycle of prana or energy.

 

regards

Avinash

 

 

>

>

> > The mango tree in the story below was apparently a

> > good soul that was close to Ammachi!

> >

>

> Ah, Ravi, APPARENTLY! Isn't this what you read into

> the story? Amma made no

> judgements about the tree's soul.

>

> Peter

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Avinash:

 

> we take fruits from trees but

> we dont kill them.

 

OK. Then how about a carrot or potato? In the act of taking these things for

our survival, we kill them.

 

Want a higher live form? What about a fish?

 

>

> when some one feeds

> on vegetables the suffering is much less than compared

> to eating meat (where animals had be slaughtered in

> pain and suffering).

 

 

Who are you refering to as suffering? The plant/animal or us eating them?

 

How do you know that a potato dying suffers less than an animal dying?

 

The potatos life is just as important to the potato as the animals life is

to the animal.

 

Peter

 

 

 

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Om Namah Shivaya Peter,

 

> Does the plant/tree really GIVE us the gift?

 

Let me quote Amma here: "Children, be like the tree

which gives shade even to those who cut it"

 

Giving nature's bounty to us (all lifeforms included)

is second nature to vegetation. Does a tree stop

giving you shade just because you would like to cut

it?

 

 

> Does the tree GIVES us fruit?

 

A tree produces fruits for propogation of its species,

so that the fruit becomes a plant, then a tree and so

on. However, the divine designer has given it a

surplus amount of fruits to give to us! A few fruits

do get propogated and that is the reason we still have

fruit trees on this planet!

 

 

> Does the cow GIVES us milk?

 

By the same reasoning, a cow produces much MORE milk

than its calf can consume. GoMata (cow as one of the

five motherly forms) is more than happy to give us the

excess milk, if we treat her well!

[and in many cases, even though not well kept]

 

> The tree grows its fruits, but it is we who TAKE it.

> The plant, tree, cow, etc. do not have a choice. We

> takefrom it what we want.

 

All Im going to say is, take it or leave it! We need

organic matter to survive. A potato or carrot does not

have five sense organs like us, although it does

respond to stimuli. Sure, the plant has life. But, in

feeding us, it gains the karmic *brownie* points to

become a higher life form.

 

 

> Ah, Ravi, APPARENTLY! Isn't this what you read into

> the story? Amma made no

> judgements about the tree's soul.

 

How many times has Mother told us not to be so

judgemental? Apologies!

 

Jai Ma,

Ravi

 

 

 

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