Guest guest Posted March 29, 2003 Report Share Posted March 29, 2003 I am confused about this country being at war. I remember 9/11 and other terrorist incidents in the last few years. Yes, people died, yes Americans died. Yes I am American. I walk on the blood of ancestors who died for me to be here now. Somehow living on concrete has made me detached from my mother earth and how precious she is. Which is to say, as an American citizen I support the men and women who fight in our name, even though I don't support the reasons for the fight. So my confusion is that Amma teaches peace, tolerance and compassion should be extended to all the beings of this world and all the other worlds and yet I live in the country that is killing people in my name. Does anyone have thoughts on this? Just as I was writing this down, the answer came that I should pray for both sides. Is that the answer? ===== Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, Supriti Omenka Nnadi Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Ammachi, Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka> wrote: > I am confused about this country being at war. I > remember 9/11 and other terrorist incidents in the > last few years. Yes, people died, yes Americans died. > Yes I am American. I walk on the blood of ancestors > who died for me to be here now. Somehow living on > concrete has made me detached from my mother earth and > how precious she is. > > Which is to say, as an American citizen I support the > men and women who fight in our name, even though I > don't support the reasons for the fight. > > So my confusion is that Amma teaches peace, tolerance > and compassion should be extended to all the beings of > this world and all the other worlds and yet I live in > the country that is killing people in my name. > > Does anyone have thoughts on this? Just as I was > writing this down, the answer came that I should pray > for both sides. Is that the answer? > > ===== > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi Dear Supriti Omenka Nnadi My feeling is we should pray for peace among all beings in all places and at all times. If it is of any help, I wish to share this piece on war which I will enter below. It is from a question and answer session held in 1973 by my first guru. It may give you another perspective. Om Namah Shivaya: MARK M.: Please speak to us on the importance of war, It seems that until only recently it was always considered to be man's noblest occupation. Both Eastern and Western Epics and holy books are filled with wars. The history of of the world is mainly the history of wars. Today we live under the threat of the ultimate war. What can we think of this? How do we relate to nonviolence? BABA: Why should you be under the shadow of any fear? Even if there were no war, are we going to live forever? There are many countries which do not get involved in Wars. Do the people there enjoy everlasting life? God is performing three functions constantly: creation, sustenance, and destruction. War is nothing but the destructive aspect of God. The wars that were fought in ancient times, particularly in ancient India, were fought under certain principles. I am not talking about modern wars. In those days inhuman tactics were not used. Sources of drinking water were not poisoned, children and old men were not massacred and cities and towns were not set on fire at night. In the Mahabharata certain principles relating to war were laid down. A warrior must not kill women, he must not kill children, he must particularly take care of pregnant women, and he must not kill the aged. Warriors were supposed to fight only with warriors. Modern war is, however, very different. It doesn't seem to follow any principles. Just as man changes his character according to the age he lives in, wars also change their character according to the age in which they are fought. Whether a war is just or unjust, it springs from attachment and aversion. It springs from desire. There have been so many wars in the past; why should you be scared of future wars? Whatever is inevit- able will happen. If a war has to happen, it will happen; nobody can prevent it. But first you should think about the war going on inside you, and that war is far more destructive than any outer war. The war between India and Pakistan was confined to a certain area and it lasted for a certain length of time. Even a nuclear war will not last long. The war inside you lasts all the time, and it is far more dangerous than any outer war. You should not worry about outer wars; worry about the inner war. The irony of your life is that you want peace, but what you get inside is agitation; you want love, but what you feel inside is hatred. You want serenity, but what you find inside is disturbance. First you should understand this contradiction and try to remove it from your life. It all depends on what the trend of the time is. There is a time when there is a surge of creative activity, with scientists, engineers, and architects building up things; and then there comes a time for destruction, when bombs are manufactured and whatever has been built up is destroyed. So there are doers of good as well as doers of evil in this world. It has been like this from time immemorial, and it will continue to be like this until the end of the world. For this reason one should take refuge in discrimination and try to find out the means to save oneself. Lord Krishna says to Arjuna in the Gita that this world is transitory and he should become aware of this and contemplate the inner Self. The world doesn't have much value, it may end any day. So you should concentrate on the inner Self. One wonders how many kings and warriors and artists and writers have appeared on the scene of this world and disappeared. Some of them were creative while others were destructive, but none of them survived. There was a poet- saint, a very good poet-saint called Narayana and he says that one should be aware of two things in the world. The first is the Lord, and the second is death. >From Satsang with Baba Vol #5 September 21, 1973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Thanks for this good article! Charlene BABA: Why should you be under the shadow of any fear? Even if there were no war, are we going to live forever? There are many countries which do not get involved in Wars. Do the people there enjoy everlasting life? God is performing three functions constantly: creation, sustenance, and destruction. War is nothing but the destructive aspect of God. The wars that were fought in ancient times, particularly in ancient India, were fought under certain principles. I am not talking about modern wars. In those days inhuman tactics were not used. Sources of drinking water were not poisoned, children and old men were not massacred and cities and towns were not set on fire at night. In the Mahabharata certain principles relating to war were laid down. A warrior must not kill women, he must not kill children, he must particularly take care of pregnant women, and he must not kill the aged. Warriors were supposed to fight only with warriors. Modern war is, however, very different. It doesn't seem to follow any principles. Just as man changes his character according to the age he lives in, wars also change their character according to the age in which they are fought. Whether a war is just or unjust, it springs from attachment and aversion. It springs from desire. There have been so many wars in the past; why should you be scared of future wars? Whatever is inevit- able will happen. If a war has to happen, it will happen; nobody can prevent it. But first you should think about the war going on inside you, and that war is far more destructive than any outer war. The war between India and Pakistan was confined to a certain area and it lasted for a certain length of time. Even a nuclear war will not last long. The war inside you lasts all the time, and it is far more dangerous than any outer war. You should not worry about outer wars; worry about the inner war. The irony of your life is that you want peace, but what you get inside is agitation; you want love, but what you feel inside is hatred. You want serenity, but what you find inside is disturbance. First you should understand this contradiction and try to remove it from your life. It all depends on what the trend of the time is. There is a time when there is a surge of creative activity, with scientists, engineers, and architects building up things; and then there comes a time for destruction, when bombs are manufactured and whatever has been built up is destroyed. So there are doers of good as well as doers of evil in this world. It has been like this from time immemorial, and it will continue to be like this until the end of the world. For this reason one should take refuge in discrimination and try to find out the means to save oneself. Lord Krishna says to Arjuna in the Gita that this world is transitory and he should become aware of this and contemplate the inner Self. The world doesn't have much value, it may end any day. So you should concentrate on the inner Self. One wonders how many kings and warriors and artists and writers have appeared on the scene of this world and disappeared. Some of them were creative while others were destructive, but none of them survived. There was a poet- saint, a very good poet-saint called Narayana and he says that one should be aware of two things in the world. The first is the Lord, and the second is death. >From Satsang with Baba Vol #5 September 21, 1973 Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 who knows what the answer is? god knows but god has a wide view with a humongous perspective . . . i am german and my heart goes out to both sides of men and women and childeren out there for sure. but what is this 'in our name'? i surely do not want to use ammachis forum here as a political one, but we all have to raise our voice in order to create another 'superpower'. let's not watch when syria and iran will be invaded by the megalomaniac bush admin. there is this saying: 'as long as the fire is burning it'll generate heat.' and i think this is exactly what the bush gov. relies upon within the american public. only public american opposition will be powerful enough to stop this insane cabinet in wahington. everybody else is just a puppet for them. peace! jai ma! lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu. in amma, -c --- Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka wrote: > I am confused about this country being at war. I > remember 9/11 and other terrorist incidents in the > last few years. Yes, people died, yes Americans > died. > Yes I am American. I walk on the blood of > ancestors > who died for me to be here now. Somehow living on > concrete has made me detached from my mother earth > and > how precious she is. > > Which is to say, as an American citizen I support > the > men and women who fight in our name, even though I > don't support the reasons for the fight. > > So my confusion is that Amma teaches peace, > tolerance > and compassion should be extended to all the beings > of > this world and all the other worlds and yet I live > in > the country that is killing people in my name. > > Does anyone have thoughts on this? Just as I was > writing this down, the answer came that I should > pray > for both sides. Is that the answer? > > ===== > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum. > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 Christiane Gude <gudechristiane wrote: i surely do not want to use ammachis forum here as a political one, Great idea! Let's not do that. I totally disagree with your sentiments, but have kept silent until this time. I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing him criticized in this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but it could also be that you are. Sincerely, K. > > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum. > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Sponsor Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 dear kutti kutty, i appreciate your honesty and your courage to speak up for your president. i agree with you that it's a not a good idea making this forum political. though i have been thinking lately politics have something in common with spirituality. isn't it a dialogue? isn't it about talking to each other, sometimes also arguing in order to come to fruitful solutions, but mainly trying to make things better? not only in the outer world -- also the dialogue with your inner self -- the search and desire for peace, love, happiness, ... is it a matter of me being mistaken or you being mistaken, you think? what if we are both a litttle bit mistaken and both a little bit right? i feel threatened/scared by people who are stuck to their metaphors. people who create their own right and wrong and who do not leave room for dialogue. you can be with me or against me, that doesn't make none of us a better person :-) lokah samastah sukhino bhavantu. at ammas feet -c --- Kutti Kutty <ammakutty1 wrote: > > > Christiane Gude <gudechristiane wrote: > i surely do not want to use > ammachis forum here as a political one, > > Great idea! Let's not do that. I totally disagree > with your sentiments, but have kept silent until > this time. I voted for President Bush and am sick > of seeing him criticized in this supposedly > "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but > it could also be that you are. > > Sincerely, > > K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > > live on your desktop! > > http://platinum. > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, > and more > http://tax. > > > Sponsor > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, > and more > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 Om Namah Shivaya, Im not taking sides but this is just a sample of what one side thinks. Im sure the other side will also have their own justification (defense, blah blah). May Amma show the leaders the 'right' path to resolve the conflict and to stop (brainwashed?) innocents on all sides from getting sacrificed because of a few people's stubbornness. Lokaha Samastaha Sukhino Bhavantu Jai Ma, Ravi THE LETTER ------ A California mother whose son is right now in Kuwait poised to knock Saddam's block off, wrote her son asking how he would feel if she joined other relatives of service members in an anti-war demonstration in Hollywood last month. After reading her son's response, she elected not to participate. ************************************ Dear Mom: It's really your decision to march if you want to or not. You are the one who has to decide if what we are doing out here is right or not. My opinion is not yours. I do, however, have things I would like for you and Grandma and everyone else at home to know. I am a United States soldier. I was sworn to defend my country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. People may not agree with the things we are ordered to do. I would like to address those people by telling them that terroris! m is not only a threat to us as Am ericans, but to many other innocent people in the world. What type of country would we be if we didn't defend the rights and freedoms of others, not because they're Americans, but how about just because they're human? We live in a country where people feel secure with their daily lives. They do business like usual and don't worry about the thought of terrorism actually happening to them. The people of 9-11 thought the same thing. We now know that it can happen to anyone at any time. Yet as Americans we're afraid of losing our soldiers to defend our security. I can only speak for myself when I say that my life is an easy expense to ensure that my family and friends can live in peace. I strongly believe in what we are doing and wish you were here to see for yourselves the honor and privilege that American soldiers aboard this ship are feeling, knowing that we are going to be a part of something so stro! ng and so meaningful to the sa fety of our loved ones. Then you would know what this potential war is about. We will stand tall in front of terrorism and defeat it. We as soldiers are not afraid of what may happen. We are only afraid of Americans not being able to understand why we are here. I ask for your courage as Americans to be strong for us. I ask for your understanding in what we believe is right. I ask for your support in what we are sworn to do: defend our country and the life of all. We will succeed in our task and will end the threat of terrorism in our back yard. We will also end the threat of terrorism in our neighbors'. We have to remind ourselves of what this country stands for: life, liberty and justice for all. In order to maintain those rights we have to stop the threat of terrorism. I am proud to be here. I will be coming home, but not until I know that it's going to be safe for all Americans and for everyone I l! ove. My family is first. My co untry is where they live. I will defend it ! Lonnie J. Lewis Navy corpsman C Co. 1/4 WPN PLT UIC 39726 FPO AP 966139726 P.S. Mom, please send this to everyone who has a hard time understanding why we are here. Ask the paper to put what I've said in a column so that others will know why we are here and what we are here for. I love you all and will be home soon. I left my address so that if anyone feels like writing to let me know how they feel, they can. Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:37 PM, Kutti Kutty wrote: > I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing him criticized in > this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but it could also be > that you are. > Then maybe we should all spend some time praying for you, my friend. sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Quote from Patricia Sun: If you want to do something for world peace, cultivate kindness, stop hating, and have hope for all individuals. Amen. Kutti Sara Snow Bliffert <sarasnow wrote: On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:37 PM, Kutti Kutty wrote: > I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing him criticized in > this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but it could also be > that you are. > Then maybe we should all spend some time praying for you, my friend. sara Sponsor Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Can we end this political discussion, please. There are thousands of other for this. Thanks, Girish On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Sara Snow Bliffert wrote: > > On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:37 PM, Kutti Kutty wrote: > > > I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing him criticized in > > this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one > > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but it could also be > > that you are. > > > > Then maybe we should all spend some time praying for you, my friend. > > sara > > > > > > Sponsor > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 04:55 PM, Kutti Kutty wrote: > If you want to do something for world peace, cultivate kindness, stop > hating, > and have hope for all individuals. > > That's exactly what we are doing by praying for people who support violence. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 let me ask you a question kutti: what are you praying for in the context of war? I'd reeeaaallly like to know. -c --- Kutti Kutty <ammakutty1 wrote: > > Quote from Patricia Sun: > If you want to do something for world peace, > cultivate kindness, stop hating, > and have hope for all individuals. > > Amen. > Kutti > > Sara Snow Bliffert <sarasnow wrote: > On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:37 PM, Kutti Kutty > wrote: > > > I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing > him criticized in > > this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma > devotee toes one > > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, > but it could also be > > that you are. > > > > Then maybe we should all spend some time praying for > you, my friend. > > sara > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Sponsor > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, > and more > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2003 Report Share Posted April 11, 2003 > > Sara Snow Bliffert <sarasnow@e...> wrote: > On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 01:37 PM, Kutti Kutty wrote: > > > I voted for President Bush and am sick of seeing him criticized in > > this supposedly "spiritual" forum. Not every Amma devotee toes one > > political line. It could be that I'm mistaken, but it could also be > > that you are. > > > > Then maybe we should all spend some time praying for you, my friend. > > sara > Don't you think this is slightly unfair. After all, Amma has told us we should try to understand the other person's point of view as well instead of coming out and judging so harshly. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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