Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Namaha Shivaya I would like to know "whether a disciple should always be there with a living guru once he/she accepted the Guru as his/her spiritual master" I know that, a disciple should obey masters order. if disciple interest is only on God realisation, to achieve this what is best for the disciple- either to go to a lonly place for sadhana or just serve the master being near to her in the ashram(like brahmacharis or Br.charinis are doing now in the ashram). Jai ma Amma's child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Namah Shivaya. This seems to be an interesting topic that you have triggered off for a discussion. I have been lucky enough to think on this subject, and here is what I think of it (always willing to reform my thinking if a higher, nobler way of living is revealed to me). Swami Vivekananda once said (a paraphrased quote), "There is only one function for our mind: to find the Guru. Once that is done, just let the Guru's mind take over; your mind should die". What this means is that the disciple NEED not always be with his master, rather the disciple NEED always do what his master says. If his master asks the disciple to stay with and serve him, so be it. If the master tells him "enough of being here, you should be on your own", so be it. if the master kicks him out, so be it. in short, the only action expected of the disciple is obedience and surrender. That is the key to achieve God-realization. Whether to stay with the master or not, etc, seem to be details. And those details (in a light-hearted view) seem to be more the headache of the master than the disciple! Jai Ma! Ammachi, "udupag" <udupag> wrote: > Namaha Shivaya > > I would like to know "whether a disciple should always be > there with a living guru once he/she accepted the Guru as his/her > spiritual master" > > I know that, a disciple should obey masters order. if disciple > interest is only on God realisation, to achieve this what is best for > the disciple- either to go to a lonly place for sadhana or just serve > the master being near to her in the ashram(like brahmacharis or > Br.charinis are doing now in the ashram). > Jai ma > Amma's child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Namah Shivaya, Amma says, also paraphrased, that renunciation meaNS clearing the mind, and that She is always with us. In Her grace, premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah > Namah Shivaya. > > This seems to be an interesting topic that you have triggered off for > a discussion. > > I have been lucky enough to think on this subject, and here is what I > think of it (always willing to reform my thinking if a higher, nobler > way of living is revealed to me). > > Swami Vivekananda once said (a paraphrased quote), "There is only one > function for our mind: to find the Guru. Once that is done, just let > the Guru's mind take over; your mind should die". > > What this means is that the disciple NEED not always be with his > master, rather the disciple NEED always do what his master says. > > If his master asks the disciple to stay with and serve him, so be it. > If the master tells him "enough of being here, you should be on your > own", so be it. if the master kicks him out, so be it. > > in short, the only action expected of the disciple is obedience and > surrender. That is the key to achieve God-realization. > > Whether to stay with the master or not, etc, seem to be details. And > those details (in a light-hearted view) seem to be more the headache > of the master than the disciple! > > Jai Ma! > > Ammachi, "udupag" <udupag> wrote: >> Namaha Shivaya >> >> I would like to know "whether a disciple should always be >> there with a living guru once he/she accepted the Guru as his/her >> spiritual master" >> >> I know that, a disciple should obey masters order. if disciple >> interest is only on God realisation, to achieve this what is best > for >> the disciple- either to go to a lonly place for sadhana or just > serve >> the master being near to her in the ashram(like brahmacharis or >> Br.charinis are doing now in the ashram). >> Jai ma >> Amma's child > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Namaha Shivaya Thanks for a very nice interesting answer, but once after the disciple accepting Amma as his/her guru, is it necessary to ask Guru, what he/she has to do in the life?. otherwise, it will't be known what's the role of the disciple. If the disciple asks some question say,I do that or this, then the Guru simply says OK. Do it. What I understand is that Guru will not interfere with disciple interests, and thinking that guru has already obliged to do the work of what I asked, then is this achives his/her the final goal of God realisation in this life span. As you said,Guru wants the disciple to surrender first, before giving him the ultimate goal of God -realisation. Then in what way the disciple should surrender to the master to achieve that goal. I refer to the earlier conversation with Amma, recently amma telling that 'I am not selling diamonds now', why nobody is interested in diamonds even though many people are surrounding amma. Is they are not surrendered to amma or how one should surrender to get that diamond!!.pls through some light! Thanks In her devine love Jai ma AC --- manoj_menon <manoj_menon wrote: > Namah Shivaya. > > This seems to be an interesting topic that you have > triggered off for > a discussion. > > I have been lucky enough to think on this subject, > and here is what I > think of it (always willing to reform my thinking if > a higher, nobler > way of living is revealed to me). > > Swami Vivekananda once said (a paraphrased quote), > "There is only one > function for our mind: to find the Guru. Once that > is done, just let > the Guru's mind take over; your mind should die". > > What this means is that the disciple NEED not always > be with his > master, rather the disciple NEED always do what his > master says. > > If his master asks the disciple to stay with and > serve him, so be it. > If the master tells him "enough of being here, you > should be on your > own", so be it. if the master kicks him out, so be > it. > > in short, the only action expected of the disciple > is obedience and > surrender. That is the key to achieve > God-realization. > > Whether to stay with the master or not, etc, seem to > be details. And > those details (in a light-hearted view) seem to be > more the headache > of the master than the disciple! > > Jai Ma! > > Ammachi, "udupag" > <udupag> wrote: > > Namaha Shivaya > > > > I would like to know "whether a disciple should > always be > > there with a living guru once he/she accepted the > Guru as his/her > > spiritual master" > > > > I know that, a disciple should obey masters order. > if disciple > > interest is only on God realisation, to achieve > this what is best > for > > the disciple- either to go to a lonly place for > sadhana or just > serve > > the master being near to her in the ashram(like > brahmacharis or > > Br.charinis are doing now in the ashram). > > Jai ma > > Amma's child > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Ammachi, Ganesha Udupa <udupag> wrote: > Namaha Shivaya > once after the disciple accepting Amma as his/her guru, is > it necessary to ask Guru, what he/she has to do in the > life?. otherwise, it will't be known what's the role > of the disciple. > Would that not be entirely the prerogative of the disciple? if it makes you feel better to ask so, by all means then, do so. > If the disciple asks some question say,I do that or > this, then the Guru simply says OK. Do it. What I > understand is that Guru will not interfere with > disciple interests, and thinking that guru has already > obliged to do the work of what I asked, then is this > achives his/her the final goal of God realisation in > this life span. > I don't have a clue.... I am not there yet! . But I think, we need to be fairly circumspect in asking questions of the Guru, and MUST use reasonable judgement (discrimination) in assessing what She is saying. > As you said,Guru wants the disciple to surrender > first, before giving him the ultimate goal of God > -realisation. Then in what way the disciple should > surrender to the master to achieve that goal. > to my mind, there is only one way to do that .... fully! This is like asking "how should i start dancing?". just start dancing (under an experienced dancer with an appropriate training program if you insist), and dancing will come off its own eventually. > I refer to the earlier conversation with Amma, > recently amma telling that 'I am not selling diamonds > now', why nobody is interested in diamonds even though > many people are surrounding amma. Is they are not > surrendered to amma or how one should surrender to get > that diamond!!.pls through some light! Thanks As Amma has said, She is like a flowing river, and people come to the river for many reasons - some to bathe, some to wash clothes and clean utensils, some to kill time, some to swim, some even to spit on it! Likewise with Amma too. Sad but true. Honestly, I cannot assess anyone's spiritual stature, or even their motivations for coming to Amma. But Amma herself knows when to give the 'diamond' to a person. Another of Amma's quotes (very cute this one): "When the mouth is open, the sweets will come". Also, forget what people are thinking / doing. Focus on your own activities, and see how close you are getting towards Her. I wish I had something else to add to help you. Keep up your eagerness to reach Her! > In her devine love > Jai ma > AC Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Pranaams! It is rare soul that asks this question these days; it is a rare soul that asks it with an intent to do something about it as you are. At one end of the scale, we have the supreme Teacher Dakshinamurty and his students, the great sages(Sananda, sanaka..); the sages were so attuned to the master that the master taught through the language of silence- this is then is the ideal for all, the master wills and the student does, so attuned are they. At the other end of the scale, there are shishyas like me who will at the first oppurtunity willfully distort what the master says to my own agenda(Amma would probably call me a tala-thirijnavan:-)), after all when the Guru and the Universal Mother are one, there is some scope for mischief:-); and i cannot emphasize enough what a joyous and learning experience it is for me to be around Amma. After all the Satguru opens the mind to oneself, whether you are in New York city or in the Himalayas, there is no escape from the mind right? the best place then is to be constantly with the lotus feet of the Mother- to the extent that is possible. Of course one could argue that the guru is omnipresent and all that, but till one can realise that as a deep feeling or is so attuned to the guru in all circuimstances, that argument is just mere verbal gymnastics. Good luck to you brother, Warm regards yogaman Ammachi, "udupag" <udupag> wrote: > Namaha Shivaya > > I would like to know "whether a disciple should always be > there with a living guru once he/she accepted the Guru as his/her > spiritual master" > > I know that, a disciple should obey masters order. if disciple > interest is only on God realisation, to achieve this what is best for > the disciple- either to go to a lonly place for sadhana or just serve > the master being near to her in the ashram(like brahmacharis or > Br.charinis are doing now in the ashram). > Jai ma > Amma's child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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