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Brahmachari Dayamrita very carefully avoids talking about "Hinduism"

as a distinct religion and says so.

 

I considered myself a "Hindu" from 1979-80. After enough study to

intellectually recognize that the term covered practically every

possible human spiritual endeavor from the highest philosophy to

human sacrifice, I travelled to Kerala. There I found out that I had

been exposed to and was carefully taught the religion of Tamil

brahmins, whatever you choose to call that. In Kerala at least, such

a spiritual tradition was a very small part of the rich spiritual

life of the people. What do I call the religion of those who have

workshipped Bhadrakali before brahmins were improted from Tamil Nadu

to Kerala? What do I call the religion of the people who perform

theyyam, a ritual performance that celebrates local history, social

justice and weaves in some stories from the brahminical tradition?

What do I call the religion of those families who do kolam rituals

for health in people's homes?

 

I deeply respect Dayamrita's reluctance to talk about Hinduism as a

religion of which Ammachi is a representative. Such language recalls

Western cultural concepts which are sure to give the wrong idea. In

the West we have religious organizations called churches or

synagogues. They have federal and state nonprofit status, corporate

charters, board members and spokespeople. Their religioun has a

founder. The sect has a founder. Christian groups proselytize and

send missions to "heathens" in India and other places. Members and

supporters have more or less clear identities. This is Western

stuff. Amma is not part of that kind of organization. She is not

here to convert people to "Hinduism." A whole other thing is going on.

 

In this age many people are materialistic. Even the churches have

adopted organizational behaviors that don't seem very spiritual.

Whenever sincere dedication and loving intention shine, spiritual

people of any culture will be drawn close, whatever the label is.

 

There's a common hymn to the guru which says to the guru "You are my

mother and father." Encountering the guru is exactly like a rebirth.

The ways of the old life have not worked. What to do? What to do?

Just the way toddlers and children imitate their parents as they

learn how to be in the world, spiritual toddlers will imitate odd

things about the guru. Recent "grads" of the Vedanta course I took

in the late 70's would always teach sitting crosslegged on a table,

for instance, because guess who else did that? It's just us babies

trying out life in a new way.

 

 

Aikya

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try calling it what it was originally called- Sanatana Dharma. - the eternal way

of life.

 

namah shivaya

 

bala

 

Aikya Param <aikya wrote:

Brahmachari Dayamrita very carefully avoids talking about "Hinduism"

as a distinct religion and says so.

 

I considered myself a "Hindu" from 1979-80. After enough study to

intellectually recognize that the term covered practically every

possible human spiritual endeavor from the highest philosophy to

human sacrifice, I travelled to Kerala. There I found out that I had

been exposed to and was carefully taught the religion of Tamil

brahmins, whatever you choose to call that. In Kerala at least, such

a spiritual tradition was a very small part of the rich spiritual

life of the people. What do I call the religion of those who have

workshipped Bhadrakali before brahmins were improted from Tamil Nadu

to Kerala? What do I call the religion of the people who perform

theyyam, a ritual performance that celebrates local history, social

justice and weaves in some stories from the brahminical tradition?

What do I call the religion of those families who do kolam rituals

for health in people's homes?

 

I deeply respect Dayamrita's reluctance to talk about Hinduism as a

religion of which Ammachi is a representative. Such language recalls

Western cultural concepts which are sure to give the wrong idea. In

the West we have religious organizations called churches or

synagogues. They have federal and state nonprofit status, corporate

charters, board members and spokespeople. Their religioun has a

founder. The sect has a founder. Christian groups proselytize and

send missions to "heathens" in India and other places. Members and

supporters have more or less clear identities. This is Western

stuff. Amma is not part of that kind of organization. She is not

here to convert people to "Hinduism." A whole other thing is going on.

 

In this age many people are materialistic. Even the churches have

adopted organizational behaviors that don't seem very spiritual.

Whenever sincere dedication and loving intention shine, spiritual

people of any culture will be drawn close, whatever the label is.

 

There's a common hymn to the guru which says to the guru "You are my

mother and father." Encountering the guru is exactly like a rebirth.

The ways of the old life have not worked. What to do? What to do?

Just the way toddlers and children imitate their parents as they

learn how to be in the world, spiritual toddlers will imitate odd

things about the guru. Recent "grads" of the Vedanta course I took

in the late 70's would always teach sitting crosslegged on a table,

for instance, because guess who else did that? It's just us babies

trying out life in a new way.

 

 

Aikya

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The message was getting loooooong. By the way, are the beliefs of

those outside the caste system in India (never mind here in the US or

in Fiji, etc.) included in "sanatana dharma"?

 

 

Aikya

Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar

<balakrishnan_sh> wrote:

> try calling it what it was originally called- Sanatana Dharma. -

the eternal way of life.

>

> namah shivaya

>

> bala

>

> Aikya Param <aikya> wrote:

> Brahmachari Dayamrita very carefully avoids talking

about "Hinduism"

> as a distinct religion and says so.

>

> I considered myself a "Hindu" from 1979-80. After enough study to

> intellectually recognize that the term covered practically every

> possible human spiritual endeavor from the highest philosophy to

> human sacrifice, I travelled to Kerala. There I found out that I

had

> been exposed to and was carefully taught the religion of Tamil

> brahmins, whatever you choose to call that. In Kerala at least,

such

> a spiritual tradition was a very small part of the rich spiritual

> life of the people. What do I call the religion of those who have

> workshipped Bhadrakali before brahmins were improted from Tamil

Nadu

> to Kerala? What do I call the religion of the people who perform

> theyyam, a ritual performance that celebrates local history, social

> justice and weaves in some stories from the brahminical tradition?

> What do I call the religion of those families who do kolam rituals

> for health in people's homes?

>

> I deeply respect Dayamrita's reluctance to talk about Hinduism as a

> religion of which Ammachi is a representative. Such language

recalls

> Western cultural concepts which are sure to give the wrong idea. In

> the West we have religious organizations called churches or

> synagogues. They have federal and state nonprofit status,

corporate

> charters, board members and spokespeople. Their religioun has a

> founder. The sect has a founder. Christian groups proselytize and

> send missions to "heathens" in India and other places. Members and

> supporters have more or less clear identities. This is Western

> stuff. Amma is not part of that kind of organization. She is not

> here to convert people to "Hinduism." A whole other thing is going

on.

>

> In this age many people are materialistic. Even the churches have

> adopted organizational behaviors that don't seem very spiritual.

> Whenever sincere dedication and loving intention shine, spiritual

> people of any culture will be drawn close, whatever the label is.

>

> There's a common hymn to the guru which says to the guru "You are

my

> mother and father." Encountering the guru is exactly like a

rebirth.

> The ways of the old life have not worked. What to do? What to do?

> Just the way toddlers and children imitate their parents as they

> learn how to be in the world, spiritual toddlers will imitate odd

> things about the guru. Recent "grads" of the Vedanta course I took

> in the late 70's would always teach sitting crosslegged on a table,

> for instance, because guess who else did that? It's just us babies

> trying out life in a new way.

>

>

> Aikya

>

>

>

>

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> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

> Ammachi

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Namah Shivaya.

 

Amma is not part of that kind of organization. She is not

> here to convert people to "Hinduism." A whole other thing is going on.

 

It appears that she is becoming known as "The Hugging Saint" and that, like

Mother Teresa, she is becoming a symbol of compassion that transcends all

the rest.

 

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Kenna,

I would hesitate to compare Amma with Mother Teresa.

 

See http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/august96/hakeem.html

 

According to Mother Teresa,

The problems facing Calcutta are due to the fact that it is too distant from

Jesus. "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share

it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the

suffering of the poor people."

 

There's a lot of stuff on the WWW about M.Teresa which can be found through

Google and perhaps does not belong to this mailing list !

 

Namashivya,

 

Girish

 

 

 

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Kenna wrote:

 

> Namah Shivaya.

>

> Amma is not part of that kind of organization. She is not

> > here to convert people to "Hinduism." A whole other thing is going on.

>

> It appears that she is becoming known as "The Hugging Saint" and that,

> like

> Mother Teresa, she is becoming a symbol of compassion that transcends all

> the rest.

>

> p.

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>

> Sponsor

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> click here

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> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

> Ammachi

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