Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 In a message dated 7/31/03 8:44:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > > Message: 9 > Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) > laksmi dasi <ammaslotus > Fwd: Fw: Amma's Birthday Celebration in India - Embracing the World > > Om namah sivaya > > Beloved sisters and brothers, > > In regard to this attachment I am forwarding, I invite you to share it with > any of Amma's children you know and I would like to add some more info about > it. > > In Santa Fe, I was lucky to get to sit gathered with a group of Amma's > children as Swami Ramakrishna spoke form his heart about how much Amma really > wants all of Her dear children to be at Her Birthday Celebrations.All we have to > do is really want it too. > He said that Amma wanted all of her children to try to come and that She > would make special sankalpas for those who had work or finance related reasons > why they thought they couldnt attend. He said Amma is going to make it as > comfortable as possible for Her western children and that if any western devotees > have ever considered going to see Amma in India this is the time. He said > She will be holding our hands from the moment we get off the plane until the > moment we get back on. She has arranged for there to be separate seating and > transportation for us so that we dont have to deal with the crowds and there > are very inexpensive hotels that are four and five star which will be > available. HE said he realizes many western people are so afraid of the crowds yet > what we dont do to go to our favorite rock concert. He said AMMA will be > releasing alot of shakti as she embraces the world and all of Her children together > in one place and this event which she is personally inviting all of us to > is promising to be a huge personal and planetary shift of consciousness. > Please consider coming as he mentioned that this would be a great opportunity to > express gratitude for AMMA in our lives by showing up and collectively > praying for peace in Her presence with Her guidance. I ask those of you who feel > like it would be too much to please consider the sacrifice as tapas, burning > away fo karma to find Your way back to the center of Your heart where She > reigns Hi. I just want to respond to a poster who requested the verbatim entry from the leaflet that was handed out at the programs. Here it is, the relevant passage: "However, Amma had earlier mentioned that in the year 2005, a large-scale disaster, either natural or human-induced, would occur. Amma also suggested that a spiritual gathering be organized with devotees from around the world to pray for world peace and harmony, in order to reduce the negative impact of such a disaster." --I appreciate whoever posted the words of Ramakrishnaswami, which I think say it all. I am at odds with going because obviously the air flights to India, round-trip, for a four -day event, just doesn't add up. If I am going to spend that much, I want to be there for longer than half a week. Plus, I just saw Her in late July. To take off from work and to be amidst a humongous crowd...plus my health is not steady right now. I was unable to really take in much from Amma due to a cardiac condition that is nowhere's close to being under control. I am taken aback by the funny way this thing is playing out, in that there were NO talks about the importance of the event. It easily could have been attended to throughout the program. The way it gets slipped in, via an unauthorized leaflet, and a small quasi-injunction by a Swami at the very end of the RI program, it doesn't add up for me. Why the convoluted approach to this? If it's that important then why didn't they SAY it's that important, in the correct venue? I don't get it. And, I don't like the fact that if we don't go, we need to send in our names so as to avoid a negative effect, it sounds like to me. Like, you'd better have a damned good reason not to be on a plane to Cochin. I can't grasp the import of everyone being there; She just blessed us on the tour. What more would be added by my going again and being in a massive assembly? I think She believe in the power of mass prayers, such as the Dhevi Bhava puja, for example. I just can't see dealing with the jet lag, such that the trip would be over by the time i was feeling alright. Still, I would like everyone who can go to go, because that's Amma's will.Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:52:52 EDT, <sprose1 wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/03 8:44:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Ammachi writes: > I am at odds with going because... Dear Sprose1, Such a torrent of troubles! If this event isn't your "cup of tea", just deepen your relationship with Amma in whatever ways you can, and don't worry! I'm sure Amma doesn't want to add to your woes. The way I look at it, there's Amma, and there's the people who try to help out with her work. Since the work is growing by leaps and bounds, there's a lot or organizational chaos most of the time. Don't let it bother you. Shanti, Ramlal -- Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 brother avram, when i read that leaflet about the 'large scale disaster occuring in 2005' i just doubted, this line was authorized by mother to be written. i do not know of course, but i don't think that it is in ammas interst to add fuel to the political situation the bush administration has gotten the country into. . . neither making the seeds of paranoya grow in peoples hearts. . . in my experience amma works and makes statements differently. at least in public. so i simply think like a mother who wants her kids to be with her on her birthday, it means a lot to her, if we'll be with her. if we cannot make it for whatever reason she will not love us less. somehow things are always (sometimes more sometimes less) a bit convoluted around mother, don't you think? it's part of her leela and part of your perception. that's just what i think . . . in ammas love -c --- sprose1 wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/03 8:44:49 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Ammachi writes: > > > > > Message: 9 > > Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) > > laksmi dasi <ammaslotus > > Fwd: Fw: Amma's Birthday Celebration in > India - Embracing the World > > > > Om namah sivaya > > > > Beloved sisters and brothers, > > > > In regard to this attachment I am forwarding, I > invite you to share it with > > any of Amma's children you know and I would like > to add some more info about > > it. > > > > In Santa Fe, I was lucky to get to sit gathered > with a group of Amma's > > children as Swami Ramakrishna spoke form his heart > about how much Amma really > > wants all of Her dear children to be at Her > Birthday Celebrations.All we have to > > do is really want it too. > > He said that Amma wanted all of her children to > try to come and that She > > would make special sankalpas for those who had > work or finance related reasons > > why they thought they couldnt attend. He said Amma > is going to make it as > > comfortable as possible for Her western children > and that if any western devotees > > have ever considered going to see Amma in India > this is the time. He said > > She will be holding our hands from the moment we > get off the plane until the > > moment we get back on. She has arranged for there > to be separate seating and > > transportation for us so that we dont have to deal > with the crowds and there > > are very inexpensive hotels that are four and five > star which will be > > available. HE said he realizes many western people > are so afraid of the crowds yet > > what we dont do to go to our favorite rock > concert. He said AMMA will be > > releasing alot of shakti as she embraces the world > and all of Her children together > > in one place and this event which she is > personally inviting all of us to > > is promising to be a huge personal and planetary > shift of consciousness. > > Please consider coming as he mentioned that this > would be a great opportunity to > > express gratitude for AMMA in our lives by showing > up and collectively > > praying for peace in Her presence with Her > guidance. I ask those of you who feel > > like it would be too much to please consider the > sacrifice as tapas, burning > > away fo karma to find Your way back to the center > of Your heart where She > > reigns > > Hi. > > I just want to respond to a poster who requested the > verbatim entry from the > leaflet that was handed out at the programs. Here > it is, the relevant > passage: > "However, Amma had earlier mentioned that in > the year 2005, a > large-scale disaster, either natural or > human-induced, would occur. Amma also > suggested that a spiritual gathering be organized > with devotees from around the world > to pray for world peace and harmony, in order to > reduce the negative impact > of such a disaster." > > --I appreciate whoever posted the words of > Ramakrishnaswami, which I think > say it all. > > I am at odds with going because obviously the air > flights to India, > round-trip, for a four -day event, just doesn't add > up. If I am going to spend that > much, I want to be there for longer than half a > week. Plus, I just saw Her in > late July. To take off from work and to be amidst a > humongous crowd...plus my > health is not steady right now. I was unable to > really take in much from Amma > due to a cardiac condition that is nowhere's close > to being under control. I > am taken aback by the funny way this thing is > playing out, in that there were > NO talks about the importance of the event. It > easily could have been attended > to throughout the program. The way it gets slipped > in, via an unauthorized > leaflet, and a small quasi-injunction by a Swami at > the very end of the RI > program, it doesn't add up for me. Why the > convoluted approach to this? If it's > that important then why didn't they SAY it's that > important, in the correct > venue? I don't get it. And, I don't like the fact > that if we don't go, we need > to send in our names so as to avoid a negative > effect, it sounds like to me. > Like, you'd better have a damned good reason not to > be on a plane to Cochin. I > can't grasp the import of everyone being there; She > just blessed us on the > tour. What more would be added by my going again and > being in a massive > assembly? I think She believe in the power of mass > prayers, such as the Dhevi Bhava > puja, for example. I just can't see dealing with > the jet lag, such that the > trip would be over by the time i was feeling > alright. Still, I would like > everyone who can go to go, because that's Amma's > will.Avram > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Dear Avram, What are you worrying about ? Amma never said that if you don't manage to go, you will be in trouble.. If you cannot go, for whatever reason, Amma is OK with that . Amma is always with you- She dwells in your heart and i think Amma is more concerned with how you treat your neighbour and do sadhana than whether you can attend the birthday or not. When i first asked Amma about coming to Her birthday , She actually asked me to take care of my work first and not take time off unnecessarily- later on things worked out :-) and it looks like I may get time off- but i don't know. You are Her child regardless of whether you will attend the birthday or not, and you are Her child regardless of what will or wont happen in 2005 . Let us not worry about 2005 . Let us on the contrary look within, love one another do sadhana and follow Amma's teachings. If you see the way the world is going, it is obvious that there is a lot of negative karma floating around - so some day or the other that negative karma will have to be accounted for. Amma has been constantly saying that She sees darkness ahead and that mankind has to change big time in its attitude towards one another and towards nature . Amma has always asked us to pray and do sadhana. Thats all. So do your part , whatever it is, from wherever you are,. If you can go to the birthday well and good- go there , pray , do sadhana and pray for those who are suffering and who couldn't attend the program and who wished to be there, and pray for the world. If you cannot go, well- stay where you are- and pray for the world, pray for those who are attending the program wishing them a happy time, pray for the world and do sadhana. It is that simple. don't worry . Amma is your mother and no mother will be upset with a kid because he couldn't attend a birthday party( which She is not attached to anyway! ) . bala sprose1 wrote: In a message dated 7/31/03 8:44:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > > Message: 9 > Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:54:33 -0700 (PDT) > laksmi dasi <ammaslotus > Fwd: Fw: Amma's Birthday Celebration in India - Embracing the World > > Om namah sivaya > > Beloved sisters and brothers, > > In regard to this attachment I am forwarding, I invite you to share it with > any of Amma's children you know and I would like to add some more info about > it. > > In Santa Fe, I was lucky to get to sit gathered with a group of Amma's > children as Swami Ramakrishna spoke form his heart about how much Amma really > wants all of Her dear children to be at Her Birthday Celebrations.All we have to > do is really want it too. > He said that Amma wanted all of her children to try to come and that She > would make special sankalpas for those who had work or finance related reasons > why they thought they couldnt attend. He said Amma is going to make it as > comfortable as possible for Her western children and that if any western devotees > have ever considered going to see Amma in India this is the time. He said > She will be holding our hands from the moment we get off the plane until the > moment we get back on. She has arranged for there to be separate seating and > transportation for us so that we dont have to deal with the crowds and there > are very inexpensive hotels that are four and five star which will be > available. HE said he realizes many western people are so afraid of the crowds yet > what we dont do to go to our favorite rock concert. He said AMMA will be > releasing alot of shakti as she embraces the world and all of Her children together > in one place and this event which she is personally inviting all of us to > is promising to be a huge personal and planetary shift of consciousness. > Please consider coming as he mentioned that this would be a great opportunity to > express gratitude for AMMA in our lives by showing up and collectively > praying for peace in Her presence with Her guidance. I ask those of you who feel > like it would be too much to please consider the sacrifice as tapas, burning > away fo karma to find Your way back to the center of Your heart where She > reigns Hi. I just want to respond to a poster who requested the verbatim entry from the leaflet that was handed out at the programs. Here it is, the relevant passage: "However, Amma had earlier mentioned that in the year 2005, a large-scale disaster, either natural or human-induced, would occur. Amma also suggested that a spiritual gathering be organized with devotees from around the world to pray for world peace and harmony, in order to reduce the negative impact of such a disaster." --I appreciate whoever posted the words of Ramakrishnaswami, which I think say it all. I am at odds with going because obviously the air flights to India, round-trip, for a four -day event, just doesn't add up. If I am going to spend that much, I want to be there for longer than half a week. Plus, I just saw Her in late July. To take off from work and to be amidst a humongous crowd...plus my health is not steady right now. I was unable to really take in much from Amma due to a cardiac condition that is nowhere's close to being under control. I am taken aback by the funny way this thing is playing out, in that there were NO talks about the importance of the event. It easily could have been attended to throughout the program. The way it gets slipped in, via an unauthorized leaflet, and a small quasi-injunction by a Swami at the very end of the RI program, it doesn't add up for me. Why the convoluted approach to this? If it's that important then why didn't they SAY it's that important, in the correct venue? I don't get it. And, I don't like the fact that if we don't go, we need to send in our names so as to avoid a negative effect, it sounds like to me. Like, you'd better have a damned good reason not to be on a plane to Cochin. I can't grasp the import of everyone being there; She just blessed us on the tour. What more would be added by my going again and being in a massive assembly? I think She believe in the power of mass prayers, such as the Dhevi Bhava puja, for example. I just can't see dealing with the jet lag, such that the trip would be over by the time i was feeling alright. Still, I would like everyone who can go to go, because that's Amma's will.Avram Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! 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Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Dear Avram, It is my understanding that Sw. Ramakrishnananda has been holding these satsangs re:Mother's birthday during the entire tour and encouraging us to attend all along. I also attended the one in Santa Fe and there was one in Rhode Island as well (I didn't attend). I think the idea of sending names is for Amma to make sankalpa for us if we want to attend but have some obstacle. Many people are planning to go for more than 3 days as to attend the IAM training technique, which I am also curious about. I don't think this flyer would have been handed out on the line to the devi puja without Amma's authorization. What do you think? Lisa > > --I appreciate whoever posted the words of Ramakrishnaswami, which I think > say it all. > > I am at odds with going because obviously the air flights to India, > round-trip, for a four -day event, just doesn't add up. If I am going to spend that > much, I want to be there for longer than half a week. Plus, I just saw Her in > late July. To take off from work and to be amidst a humongous crowd...plus my > health is not steady right now. I was unable to really take in much from Amma > due to a cardiac condition that is nowhere's close to being under control. I > am taken aback by the funny way this thing is playing out, in that there were > NO talks about the importance of the event. It easily could have been attended > to throughout the program. The way it gets slipped in, via an unauthorized > leaflet, and a small quasi-injunction by a Swami at the very end of the RI > program, it doesn't add up for me. Why the convoluted approach to this? If it's > that important then why didn't they SAY it's that important, in the correct > venue? I don't get it. And, I don't like the fact that if we don't go, we need > to send in our names so as to avoid a negative effect, it sounds like to me. > Like, you'd better have a damned good reason not to be on a plane to Cochin. I > can't grasp the import of everyone being there; She just blessed us on the > tour. What more would be added by my going again and being in a massive > assembly? I think She believe in the power of mass prayers, such as the Dhevi Bhava > puja, for example. I just can't see dealing with the jet lag, such that the > trip would be over by the time i was feeling alright. Still, I would like > everyone who can go to go, because that's Amma's will.Avram > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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