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Namaste Brothers and Sisters,

 

As Amma was so enthralled with Krishna and the stories told over and over

again. This is how it is with me about Amma's childhood stories. I can never

hear enough of our beloved Mother. And I wonder what everyone else thinks about

our Amma. Do you think that she is an Avatar? That she came down to help

humanity, and was already enlightened? I mean she was born in the lotus

postion. But then to achieve the state that she is in now, she had to meditate

and devote herself to Sri Krishna, according to her stories. Do you think that

she became enlightened in this lifetime? But I also wonder if she had to do this

so that we could see her life as she lived it, and that it is an example to us,

and that she has always been enlightened from birth. What are everyone elses

thoughts on this? Im intrigued! I myself think that she has always been

enlightened and that her life was and is an example to us.

 

I also remember a egroup conversation on how to worship or meditate to achieve

our enlightment. That there was a debate going on whether to show emotion or

not. To refrain from crying out, etc. Look at our Blessed Mother herself, did

she not cry and weep for Krishna day and night, longing to behold a vision of

him? She is truly a bhakti! And I can see no other way for myself. I can only be

devotional, not mental. I weep to be rid of the earthly life and sorrow. Im

tired of the pain of it. I only wish to be one with our Divine Mother!

 

 

At Amma's Lotus Feet

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel>

wrote:

 

As Amma was so enthralled with Krishna and the stories told over and

over again. This is how it is with me about Amma's childhood stories.

I can never hear enough of our beloved Mother. And I wonder what

everyone else thinks about our Amma. Do you think that she is an

Avatar?

 

-I don't think so, I think she is enlightened. Avatar is kind of

mythical to me and elightened is very real and attainable (by us)

which is an important point. Avatar sounds like she sprung out of a

lotus blossom or something.

 

That she came down to help humanity, and was already enlightened?

 

-I think she became enlightened before this lifetime, which is why

she didn't have a guru this time. Perhaps she lived many lifetimes as

an elightened one. It would explain why she's so good at it.

 

I mean she was born in the lotus postion. But then to achieve the

state that she is in now, she had to meditate and devote herself to

Sri Krishna, according to her stories. Do you think that she became

enlightened in this lifetime?

 

-I think she became RE-enlightened in this life. She was awake in her

last one but like everyone, she has to forget everything to

reincarnate. But for her it was like having something right on the

tip of one's memory. "Aha, oh yeah!", and she was awake again.

 

But I also wonder if she had to do this so that we could see her life

as she lived it, and that it is an example to us, and that she has

always been enlightened from birth. What are everyone elses thoughts

on this? Im intrigued! I myself think that she has always been

enlightened and that her life was and is an example to us.

 

-I think that anyone who awakens to the depth that Amma is couldn't

help but feel the same way she does, which is kind of a pun now that

I think of it :-)

 

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I also remember a egroup conversation on how to worship or meditate

to achieve our enlightment. That there was a debate going on whether

to show emotion or not. To refrain from crying out, etc. Look at our

Blessed Mother herself, did she not cry and weep for Krishna day and

night, longing to behold a vision of him? She is truly a bhakti! And

I can see no other way for myself. I can only be devotional, not

mental. I weep to be rid of the earthly life and sorrow. Im tired of

the pain of it. I only wish to be one with our Divine Mother!

 

-Of course you want to have your heart center open, but you don't

want to get stuck there either, you want your higher head centers to

be open also :-)

 

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Namaste, Robin

 

I do think Amma is an Avatar. I believe She is a

Divine Incarnation who has taken a human birth during

this dark age of materialism to help us all experience

real love and unity, and to show the way, by Her

flawless example, to unending bliss. I think She is

one of the greatest beings to ever walk this earth.

 

As for Her Krishna and Devi sadhanas, I believe that

while She was born into full consciousness, She

created that path as an example to us. Amma teaches us

through Her own experience, that we should cry to God

with intense longing to come home.

 

It must be very strange for an enlightened being to

wake to another human birth, but She obviously has

work to do here! In any case, She was certainly never

caught up in the maya, and constantly lamented the

blind attachment She saw in others. The way She lived

her early life is a perfect example of how She wants

us to live.

 

Regardless, I can say without a doubt that I am so

much happier and blissful since finding my way back to

Her lotus feet! While at first I had to speculate

about authenticity, I no longer have any doubt. She is

pure Adi Shakti, Kali Ma, Devi, Lakshmi, Krishna,

Shiva, Ma, Ma, Ma, Ma.... Can't you see it in Her

smile? When you hear her laugh in those lovely

bhajans, can there be any doubt that this being is

purest love wrapped up in a recognizable human

package? To me She is the beginning and the end.

 

As for the emotional vs. intellectual paths to moksha,

Amma says that bhakti (devotion) is not complete

without jnana (knowledge). But it all depends on the

disposition of the seeker. You sound like a born

bhakti yogi to me, so am I. I'm spending a lot of time

in my heart because it used to be very locked up. But

what's interesting for me, is that the deeper I get

into my sadhana, I feel my consciousness sort of

naturally rising up into the third eye. Maybe (and I'm

only speculating, as I'm not yet there!) the more open

our hearts become, the flow of Shakti no longer gets

trapped there with our old pain and emotional baggage,

and just moves on and up!

 

Sometimes I get this strange rush of bliss energy that

is almost physically incapaciting. I can't seem to

turn it on at will, and it comes at the oddest times,

on the bus, at work, etc. I'd sure be interested to

know if anyone else has this experience, and if anyone

has any advice on what to do with it!

 

All my love to you, Robin. I'm very excited for you.

Keep loving.

 

Jai Ma

Brianna

 

--- Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel wrote:

> Namaste Brothers and Sisters,

>

> As Amma was so enthralled with Krishna and the

> stories told over and over again. This is how it is

> with me about Amma's childhood stories. I can never

> hear enough of our beloved Mother. And I wonder what

> everyone else thinks about our Amma. Do you think

> that she is an Avatar? That she came down to help

> humanity, and was already enlightened? I mean she

> was born in the lotus postion. But then to achieve

> the state that she is in now, she had to meditate

> and devote herself to Sri Krishna, according to her

> stories. Do you think that she became enlightened in

> this lifetime? But I also wonder if she had to do

> this so that we could see her life as she lived it,

> and that it is an example to us, and that she has

> always been enlightened from birth. What are

> everyone elses thoughts on this? Im intrigued! I

> myself think that she has always been enlightened

> and that her life was and is an example to us.

>

> I also remember a egroup conversation on how to

> worship or meditate to achieve our enlightment. That

> there was a debate going on whether to show emotion

> or not. To refrain from crying out, etc. Look at our

> Blessed Mother herself, did she not cry and weep for

> Krishna day and night, longing to behold a vision of

> him? She is truly a bhakti! And I can see no other

> way for myself. I can only be devotional, not

> mental. I weep to be rid of the earthly life and

> sorrow. Im tired of the pain of it. I only wish to

> be one with our Divine Mother!

>

>

> At Amma's Lotus Feet

> Robin

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It¹s my understanding that already-enlightened avatars may go through the

appearance of getting enlightened to set an example or something. Or maybe

getting born into a human body is rather overshadowing even if you are

already enlightened. Rather earthy, this earth plane. Look at the story of

Rama¹s life. Especially the beginning of the Yoga Vashista.

 

on 8/13/03 11:54 AM, Robin Wilson at lilymoonjewel wrote:

 

> Namaste Brothers and Sisters,

>

> As Amma was so enthralled with Krishna and the stories told over and over

> again. This is how it is with me about Amma's childhood stories. I can never

> hear enough of our beloved Mother. And I wonder what everyone else thinks

> about our Amma. Do you think that she is an Avatar? That she came down to help

> humanity, and was already enlightened? I mean she was born in the lotus

> postion. But then to achieve the state that she is in now, she had to meditate

> and devote herself to Sri Krishna, according to her stories. Do you think that

> she became enlightened in this lifetime? But I also wonder if she had to do

> this so that we could see her life as she lived it, and that it is an example

> to us, and that she has always been enlightened from birth. What are everyone

> elses thoughts on this? Im intrigued! I myself think that she has always been

> enlightened and that her life was and is an example to us.

>

> I also remember a egroup conversation on how to worship or meditate to

> achieve our enlightment. That there was a debate going on whether to show

> emotion or not. To refrain from crying out, etc. Look at our Blessed Mother

> herself, did she not cry and weep for Krishna day and night, longing to behold

> a vision of him? She is truly a bhakti! And I can see no other way for myself.

> I can only be devotional, not mental. I weep to be rid of the earthly life and

> sorrow. Im tired of the pain of it. I only wish to be one with our Divine

> Mother!

>

>

 

 

 

 

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