Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 > > Our brother Ramial is correct. > Usually Amma does not give vibhuti to westerners, > and when she does, it's > for very good reason. > I got a pack of vibhuti last year in Michigan, but only because someone I knew from the Toronto satsang was doing prasad hand-out at the time I had my darshan. I had spoken out to some members of my local satsang group not only about how I would like to get some vibhuti, but also about how giving vibhuti only to devotees who look sufficiently South Asian smacks of racial profiling. Unless the devotee speaks Malayalam and can personally inform Amma of his or her immigration/citizenship status, how would Amma know if an Indian-looking person coming for darshan is a recent immigrant, a NRI (Non-Resident Indian) naturalized U.S. citizen, or was born in North America and has roots in Canada or the U.S for two or more generations? Until Amma decides to come to Canada, I have to bring my passport to her programs anyway Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Dear Keval, "Racial profiling"? I don't want my comment to turn the discussion in this direction and in fact I am rubbing my eyes in disbelief that you really said that. What an idea! This is our Mother, for heaven's sake, and Amma is everyone's Mother. She knows what her children need and can best assimilate, and that's what whe gives. As Sri Ramakrishna said, "The mother cooks different dishes to suit the stomachs of her different children. Suppose she has five children. If there is a fish to cook, she prepares various dishes from it - pilau, pickled fish, fried fish, and so on - to suit their different tastes and powers and digestion." And Keval dear, if you wanted vibhuti so badly, you could have gone to one of the sales tables and bought some - you could even have asked Amma to bless it. "Racial profiling"! What an idea! Ramlal On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT), Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: >> >> Our brother Ramial is correct. >> Usually Amma does not give vibhuti to westerners, >> and when she does, it's >> for very good reason. >> > > I got a pack of vibhuti last year in Michigan, but > only because someone I knew from the Toronto satsang > was doing prasad hand-out at the time I had my > darshan. I had spoken out to some members of my local > satsang group not only about how I would like to get > some vibhuti, but also about how giving vibhuti only > to devotees who look sufficiently South Asian smacks > of racial profiling. Unless the devotee speaks > Malayalam and can personally inform Amma of his or her > immigration/citizenship status, how would Amma know if > an Indian-looking person coming for darshan is a > recent immigrant, a NRI (Non-Resident Indian) > naturalized U.S. citizen, or was born in North America > and has roots in Canada or the U.S for two or more > generations? > > Until Amma decides to come to Canada, I have to bring > my passport to her programs anyway > > Keval > > > > > > > Sponsor > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > -- Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Keval, Namah Shivaya. If you want vibhuti from Amma , simply ask Her when you go for darshan. I have seen many 'westerners' ask for vibhuti and get it from Amma- i have also seen Amma giving vibhuti to westerners without being asked. I have heard of many cases ( of both wetsreners and indians) when Amma has given vibhuti to people who are suffering from some physical or emotional illness and it has helped them- and cases where this vibhuti has been given spontaneously without the devotee asking for it . Amma is the most all inclusive person I have come across, and all are equal to Amma , westerner or indian .. westerners usually do not use vibhuti, and so Amma doesnt give them vibhuti, thats all. Also, whatever you get from Amma during darshan is prasad. Amma gives you what you need to get, at that time- not what your mind may think it wants to get.A self realized being or an Avatar of the Divine Mother does not need your passport to know who are and where you come from. Amma knows the condition of your soul and knows you better than you know yourself. 'Racial profiling' is, in my opinion, a totally wrong phrase to use around Amma- you are talking about someone who is wearing away Her own body , embracing millions around the globe, regardless of their race, about someone who takes on devotees' diseases into Her own body and suffers for them, about someone who lovingly hugged a leper , licked his wounds and cured him. You are talking about a being who hugged the very person who came to stab Her to death , about someone who nursed Her assailant when he was sick in the hospital, about someone who used to forego her own meagre meal in order to save it and give it to the poor . namah shivaya. > > Our brother Ramial is correct. > Usually Amma does not give vibhuti to westerners, > and when she does, it's > for very good reason. > I got a pack of vibhuti last year in Michigan, but only because someone I knew from the Toronto satsang was doing prasad hand-out at the time I had my darshan. I had spoken out to some members of my local satsang group not only about how I would like to get some vibhuti, but also about how giving vibhuti only to devotees who look sufficiently South Asian smacks of racial profiling. Unless the devotee speaks Malayalam and can personally inform Amma of his or her immigration/citizenship status, how would Amma know if an Indian-looking person coming for darshan is a recent immigrant, a NRI (Non-Resident Indian) naturalized U.S. citizen, or was born in North America and has roots in Canada or the U.S for two or more generations? Until Amma decides to come to Canada, I have to bring my passport to her programs anyway Keval Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: I knew from the Toronto satsang > was doing prasad hand-out at the time I had my > darshan. I had spoken out to some members of my local > satsang group not only about how I would like to get > some vibhuti, but also about how giving vibhuti only > to devotees who look sufficiently South Asian smacks > of racial profiling. Unless the devotee speaks > Malayalam and can personally inform Amma of his or her > immigration/citizenship status, how would Amma know if > an Indian-looking person coming for darshan is a > recent immigrant, a NRI (Non-Resident Indian) > naturalized U.S. citizen, or was born in North America > and has roots in Canada or the U.S for two or more > generations? > > Until Amma decides to come to Canada, I have to bring > my passport to her programs anyway > > Keval Dear Keval: I am a westerner - blond hair, VERY white skin, - Amma gave me vibhuti only once. I personally like the other gifts she gives - a mala, apple, ring - you know, things I can use. I loved the vibhuti by the way but it was no big deal. I think you are feeling left out because the contingent that comes from Toronto is mostly keralite or at least some part of south india. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 > > Dear Keval: > > I am a westerner - blond hair, VERY white skin, - > Amma gave me > vibhuti only once. I personally like the other gifts > she gives - a > mala, apple, ring - you know, things I can use. I > loved the vibhuti > by the way but it was no big deal. I think you are > feeling left out > because the contingent that comes from Toronto is > mostly keralite or > at least some part of south india. > Maybe it's not just that Indian people would know what to do with vibhuti, while most westerners wouldn't. I also think there wouldn't be enough vibhuti to go around, if Amma were to hand it to everyone. Yes, there are quite a few Keralites among the Toronto satsang group. There are even a few who grew up within an hour or two of Amma's ashram but never got her darshan until after immigrating to Canada! Also many Tamil speakers, from both Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. At our weekly satsangs, the South Asians usually outnumber the WASH's (White Anglo Saxon Hindus). If you like diversity, this is the place to be. Some 50 or 60 years ago, Toronto was a boring Anglo-saxon backwater with ****-all to do on Sundays except go to church. As recently as 1961, Toronto's population was 90% white. But now Toronto is so multicultural, that a white anglo-saxon person who was born in Canada and speaks only English can feel left out, indeed almost dispossessed, almost a foreigner in his or her own country. Keval (no, my name does not mean "politically incorrect and proud of it" in Sanskrit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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