Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Jai Vallathn: Thank you for expressing your views about the enhanced policies. I am somewhat surprised though, at what you said. There are no restrictions such as 'no criticism of Ammachi'. How did you ever get this idea? The basic premise is that this list is for furthering one's Spiritual Growth and Relationship with Amma. I find that some people just don't understand or want to understand this purpose. Periodically, some people join this List and immediately promote animal rights, environmental issues, vegetarianism, other Spiritual paths, etc., etc. The list is long. There is nothing I find wrong with theses interests. But, I repeatedly ask the question: "What has this got to do with the purpose of this List? What has it got to do with their Spiritual Growth with Amma? Some of the restrictions are for people who join this list, not because they have any interest in Amma, but solely to promote their own particular interests. Items 1, 3 and 4 that I mentioned on the Policy Enhancements post I made on Sept. 4th are directly related to the above. It is an entirely different situation if someone wants to discuss Amma's teachings on these subjects. We have had two unfortunate discussions here on the alleged misconduct of Sai Baba. No facts, no evidence, no claims substantiated. Just rumors and opinions. A great deal of hostility was expressed and many people were considerably upset over the topic. Thinking that the topic (the first time) would die out shortly, I didn't take any immediate action. It did not die, it got worse and I finally cut if off. I saw a sharp increase in people unsubscribing. Many of these people had made a very significant contribution to the purpose of this List. I found it very disheartening to see these people leave. In hindsight, I felt I did not act fast enough in closing topic. Hence, item 5. Item 2: we are here to further our Growth and Love with Amma. If this is our purpose, why would anyone attempt to be so disrespectful and attempt to discredit Her? If anyone did, I would seriously question their motives. Their behavior would not be appropriate to this Path. Items 6 and 8 I think are self explanatory. I moderate on several other Groups and there has been a noticeable increase in porno advertising. Recent ones that hit on the Ammachi List are the worse I have seen. Item 7: Each person can join the List themselves and I see no need for another to post messages on behalf on someone else. There is nothing really new here except one. In any questionable post, I look for the motive and intent of the person making the post and decide on a course of action accordingly. The exception is that I have added the unsolicited emails sent privately to any member of the List. One person did this and sent an email that was very disturbing to the receiver. I certainly do not wish to see people holding back from sharing on the List because of possible repercussions or abusiveness sent privately. If this happens to anyone, I want to know. Up until now, the guidelines for the Ammachi List have been very general and somewhat loose. By being more specific, I hope it will prevent abuses on the List by people who have no interest in Ammachi or who do not honor the basic purpose of us being here together. Does this clarify the guidelines for you? Om Amriteshwariyai Namaha! Peter White (Kandar) Ammachi List Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Thanks, Kandar, for clarifying the guidelines. I misread 'attempt to discredit Ammachi' as 'criticize Ammachi' -- if there is no motive to bring Ammachi a bad name, I suppose it is OK. Although I do believe that like Hiranyakashipu, even attempting to discredit the lord can bring salvation as well as developing love for the lord, I can understand that you may not want to broaden the list quite that much. (Incidentally, Amma is wont to broadcast my problems and weaknesses to the general darshan public. When I complained to her, she asked me why I should be embarrassed, since the ashram people are all my family. I pointed out to her that her websites and publications are carefully pruned (read: censored). I warned her that I was going to put bad stuff about her on the web and elsewhere; let's see how she liked it. She told me to go right ahead and write what I wanted. Ultimately, though, there is a benefit in that my shame is reduced, even though I bet there are better ways of achieving that end.) Regarding the other topics that you want to forbid, I agree with you. Vallath Nandakumar vallathn >KandarW >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: ADMIN: Policy Enhancements >Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:32:00 EDT > >Jai Vallathn: > >Thank you for expressing your views about the enhanced policies. > >I am somewhat surprised though, at what you said. There are no restrictions >such as 'no criticism of Ammachi'. How did you ever get this idea? > >The basic premise is that this list is for furthering one's Spiritual >Growth >and Relationship with Amma. > >I find that some people just don't understand or want to understand this >purpose. Periodically, some people join this List and immediately promote >animal >rights, environmental issues, vegetarianism, other Spiritual paths, etc., >etc. >The list is long. There is nothing I find wrong with theses interests. But, >I >repeatedly ask the question: "What has this got to do with the purpose of >this >List? What has it got to do with their Spiritual Growth with Amma? > >Some of the restrictions are for people who join this list, not because >they >have any interest in Amma, but solely to promote their own particular >interests. > >Items 1, 3 and 4 that I mentioned on the Policy Enhancements post I made on >Sept. 4th are directly related to the above. > >It is an entirely different situation if someone wants to discuss Amma's >teachings on these subjects. > >We have had two unfortunate discussions here on the alleged misconduct of >Sai >Baba. No facts, no evidence, no claims substantiated. Just rumors and >opinions. A great deal of hostility was expressed and many people were >considerably >upset over the topic. Thinking that the topic (the first time) would die >out >shortly, I didn't take any immediate action. It did not die, it got worse >and I >finally cut if off. > >I saw a sharp increase in people unsubscribing. Many of these people had >made >a very significant contribution to the purpose of this List. I found it >very >disheartening to see these people leave. > >In hindsight, I felt I did not act fast enough in closing topic. > >Hence, item 5. > >Item 2: we are here to further our Growth and Love with Amma. If this is >our >purpose, why would anyone attempt to be so disrespectful and attempt to >discredit Her? If anyone did, I would seriously question their motives. >Their >behavior would not be appropriate to this Path. > >Items 6 and 8 I think are self explanatory. I moderate on several other > >Groups and there has been a noticeable increase in porno advertising. >Recent >ones that hit on the Ammachi List are the worse I have seen. > >Item 7: Each person can join the List themselves and I see no need for >another to post messages on behalf on someone else. > >There is nothing really new here except one. In any questionable post, I >look >for the motive and intent of the person making the post and decide on a >course of action accordingly. > >The exception is that I have added the unsolicited emails sent privately to >any member of the List. One person did this and sent an email that was very >disturbing to the receiver. I certainly do not wish to see people holding >back >from sharing on the List because of possible repercussions or abusiveness >sent >privately. If this happens to anyone, I want to know. > >Up until now, the guidelines for the Ammachi List have been very general >and >somewhat loose. By being more specific, I hope it will prevent abuses on >the >List by people who have no interest in Ammachi or who do not honor the >basic >purpose of us being here together. > >Does this clarify the guidelines for you? > >Om Amriteshwariyai Namaha! > >Peter White (Kandar) >Ammachi List Moderator > > > > _______________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 > that like Hiranyakashipu, even attempting to discredit the lord can bring > salvation as well as developing love for the lord, I can understand that you > may not > want to broaden the list quite that much. LOL. > > (Incidentally, Amma is wont to broadcast my problems and weaknesses to the > general darshan public. When I complained to her, she asked me why I should > be embarrassed, since the ashram people are all my family. I pointed out to I assure you Nandu at least one of the things that Amma taunted you with had some deep signficance for me(maybe i will share what that was many years from now :-));; Like you I too scold and criticize Amma when I feel like(of course in the privacy of my mind), as Her children, I think we are entitled to this privelege; after all is not Mother a loving and forgiving mother, rather than a wrathful and vengeful Mom, so we should take full advantage of that:-) AND one thing I will tell, based on what I saw at the San Ramon retreat, Amma has great love and affection for you Warm regards yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Vallath Nandakumar <vallathn wrote: (Incidentally, Amma is wont to broadcast my problems and weaknesses to the general darshan public. When I complained to her, she asked me why I should be embarrassed, since the ashram people are all my family. I pointed out to her that her websites and publications are carefully pruned (read: censored). I warned her that I was going to put bad stuff about her on the web and elsewhere; let's see how she liked it. She told me to go right ahead and write what I wanted. Ultimately, though, there is a benefit in that my shame is reduced, even though I bet there are better ways of achieving that end.) Dear Vallathji, Yes, I and others I know have been surprised at how Amma plays with you. I think you handle it well, for what that's worth. There is amazement that you are so honored to be Amma's plaything, usually followed by jealousy. I can understand your embarrassment, but deep down don't you prefer that to being ignored? Char >KandarW >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: ADMIN: Policy Enhancements >Mon, 8 Sep 2003 01:32:00 EDT > >Jai Vallathn: > >Thank you for expressing your views about the enhanced policies. > >I am somewhat surprised though, at what you said. There are no restrictions >such as 'no criticism of Ammachi'. How did you ever get this idea? > >The basic premise is that this list is for furthering one's Spiritual >Growth >and Relationship with Amma. > >I find that some people just don't understand or want to understand this >purpose. Periodically, some people join this List and immediately promote >animal >rights, environmental issues, vegetarianism, other Spiritual paths, etc., >etc. >The list is long. There is nothing I find wrong with theses interests. But, >I >repeatedly ask the question: "What has this got to do with the purpose of >this >List? What has it got to do with their Spiritual Growth with Amma? > >Some of the restrictions are for people who join this list, not because >they >have any interest in Amma, but solely to promote their own particular >interests. > >Items 1, 3 and 4 that I mentioned on the Policy Enhancements post I made on >Sept. 4th are directly related to the above. > >It is an entirely different situation if someone wants to discuss Amma's >teachings on these subjects. > >We have had two unfortunate discussions here on the alleged misconduct of >Sai >Baba. No facts, no evidence, no claims substantiated. Just rumors and >opinions. A great deal of hostility was expressed and many people were >considerably >upset over the topic. Thinking that the topic (the first time) would die >out >shortly, I didn't take any immediate action. It did not die, it got worse >and I >finally cut if off. > >I saw a sharp increase in people unsubscribing. Many of these people had >made >a very significant contribution to the purpose of this List. I found it >very >disheartening to see these people leave. > >In hindsight, I felt I did not act fast enough in closing topic. > >Hence, item 5. > >Item 2: we are here to further our Growth and Love with Amma. If this is >our >purpose, why would anyone attempt to be so disrespectful and attempt to >discredit Her? If anyone did, I would seriously question their motives. >Their >behavior would not be appropriate to this Path. > >Items 6 and 8 I think are self explanatory. I moderate on several other > >Groups and there has been a noticeable increase in porno advertising. >Recent >ones that hit on the Ammachi List are the worse I have seen. > >Item 7: Each person can join the List themselves and I see no need for >another to post messages on behalf on someone else. > >There is nothing really new here except one. In any questionable post, I >look >for the motive and intent of the person making the post and decide on a >course of action accordingly. > >The exception is that I have added the unsolicited emails sent privately to >any member of the List. One person did this and sent an email that was very >disturbing to the receiver. I certainly do not wish to see people holding >back >from sharing on the List because of possible repercussions or abusiveness >sent >privately. If this happens to anyone, I want to know. > >Up until now, the guidelines for the Ammachi List have been very general >and >somewhat loose. By being more specific, I hope it will prevent abuses on >the >List by people who have no interest in Ammachi or who do not honor the >basic >purpose of us being here together. > >Does this clarify the guidelines for you? > >Om Amriteshwariyai Namaha! > >Peter White (Kandar) >Ammachi List Moderator > > > > _______________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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