Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 "Many women with professional careers in the arts are often not allowed to continue working after marriage by their husbands. Because of all these, one day, women will explode. The harmony of society will then get upset, as it would during the final dissolution." Spoken by Amma yesterday http://amritavarsham.org/amma/satsang25.htm A U.S. background: It was just after WWII and women had been working in factories and such, taking the place of all the men who were overseas. (By the way, women still couldn't VOTE in this country at that time - being asked to work by the U.S. government was the catalyst for their arguemnt for suffrage) After the war, they didn't want to simply go back to the home but wanted to take charge of their own lives. They'd had a taste of controlling their own life and finances (In the 1960's, a woman still couldn't purchase a car without her husband's permission - it wasn't a law; the salesman wouldn't do it.). In an ideal world, the husband and wife should have equal responsibilities, distributed how they see fit. Amma says it's good for women to progress in the workplace but not to forget her motherly qualities. Likewise, men must do the same. It is a dark day when ANY ADULT prefers to spend hours away from their children in order to acquire more. If one is going to be gone, the other should be there. Given the choice, I would prefer to stay at home with my children. But I would ALWAYS rather have the choice. BTW: It's not always for riches that a women will work (extra cars in the garage, etc.) but often for survival. I have many friends, especially on the east coast, who are married with children and both work and still struggle to make mortgage payments. A family in medium-to-large require at least $70k-80k to afford a home and two cars - not every husband is so lucky to make that much at his work. Add to that doctor visits, braces, pee-wee soccer uniforms, homecoming dresses, home computer, and whatever else... It's our culture that makes it difficult to get by on only one salary. Jai Ma, Gabriela --- ganesh108 <ganesh108 wrote: > IMHO parenthood is the most important job on the > planet (other than being the > Divine Mother), and also the most difficult. After > being dependent due to > disability, however, I understand why women want an > identity other than > homemaker and mother, as these jobs are not valued > in the home or elsewhere. > > Prasadini > > "E. Lamb" wrote: > > > I agree with Bala. I think the snide comment in > > a "news" story is also off-putting. In this > county > > too, there was a time when motherhood was revered. > > IMHO it was a dark day for this country when women > > decided it was "more meaningful" to have a new > house, > > two suv's, and new televisions rather than stay > home > > and take care of their priceless children. If > > anyone wants to flame me for this, please do so > off > > the list. > > > > An unashamed traditionalist, > > Jyotsna > > > > --- balakrishnan Shankar > <balakrishnan_sh > > wrote: > > > Keval, > > > > > > I feel that the author of this article is a > bit > > > too hasty to condemn the speaker who talked of > > > 'Motherhood' being a woman's greatest glory.. I > dont > > > see that as being partriarchal at all.. In the > > > indian cultural context, the mother is sacred... > > > 'Matru Devo Bhava' ( treat the mother as God) > the > > > scriptures say.. for obvious reasons no life is > > > possible without motherhood... > > > > > > also all over the world, and definitely in > india, > > > Motherly love is seen to be closest to that of > God's > > > in terms of utter selflessness... so the > statement > > > 'motherhood is a woman's greatest glory' is not > all > > > that patriarchal- i think it merely appreciates > the > > > value,depth and greatness of a mother's > > > compassionate heart ... > > > > > > I dont think the speaker said that women > shouldnt > > > be treated equally or shouldnt vote ot go to > work... > > > those would have been chauvinistic comments.. > but i > > > dont see how glorifying motherliness can be > > > considered 'patriarchal' or feudal .... i think > the > > > author of the article doesnt understand the > indian > > > psyche or the reverence traditional india has > for > > > mothers.... > > > > > > To us every thing that is 'giving' by nature > is > > > the Mother- The vedas give knowledge so it is > 'Veda > > > Mata'- the 'Knowledge Mother'- the cow gives > milk > > > etc so it is 'Go-maata'... the very earth is > > > compassonate and patient so it is 'bhoomi mata - > > > mother earth'..., the rivers give water- so the > > > ganges is 'Ganga Mata' etc etc ... > > > > > > > > > any comments? > > > > > > bala > > > > > > Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > From today's newindpress.com > > > > > > Friday September 26 2003 00:00 IST > > > > > > Hidden ironies in Shaktispeak at Ammafest > > > > > > KOCHI: On Thursday, the international crowd in > the > > > Amriteshwari Hall near the Jawaharlal Nehru > > > International Stadium numbered more than 15,000. > It > > > was an eclectic mix of rich and poor, desi and > > > international, from whiteclad Amma acolytes to > > > saffron > > > sanyasis and Indian devotees. > > > > > > On stage sat an unlikely guest row: American > > > actress-activist Linda Evans (`Krystle > Carrington' > > > of > > > 'Dynasty' fame, highly visible now in > environmental > > > causes); Dr K.S. Fathima Beevi, a Malayali > student > > > of > > > Vedanta and member of the governing syndicate of > > > Mahatma Gandhi University, Dr Poornima Advani, > > > Chairperson, National Commission for Women, > Rabbi > > > Leah > > > Novick, pathfinder of the Jewish Renewal > Movement, > > > Dr > > > Mangalam Srinivasan, Special Advisor, John F. > > > Kennedy > > > School of Government, Mridula Sinha, Central > Social > > > Welfare Board, India, and Dr Saleha Mahmood > Abedin, > > > Islamic scholar from Saudi Arabia. > > > > > > In the audience sat Mata Amritandamayi, flanked > by > > > Dr > > > Najma Heptullah and Yolanda Scott King, daughter > of > > > Dr > > > Martin Luther King Jr. while listening intently > in a > > > corner sat Surayya Jabeen, member of the > President's > > > Task Force for Human Development and Advisor, > Family > > > Planning to the Government of Pakistan. > > > > > > While Linda Evans, cool in a pale blue jacket, > straw > > > boater and fawn trousers spoke glowingly of > ``Amma's > > > inner beauty and strength and ability to inspire > > > thousands of people to do good'', Dr Mangalam > > > Srinivasan made a cerebrally well-argued yet > > > passionate appeal for women's empowerment, > quoting > > > lavishly from sub-continental women writers like > > > Ruqaiyya Sultan and Atiya Dawood, while Rabbi > Leah > > > chanted Hebrew hymns and spoke movingly of > `Shaqina' > > > She Who Dwells Within (the heart), the Woman > Goddess > > > of the Abrahamic faith who was made to disappear > > > over > > > time by a cabal of male chauvinists. > > > > > > ``Amma empowers me to speak of Shaqina freely in > > > world > > > forums,'' revealed Rabbi Leah before bending > down > > > for > > > a big hug from the Earth Mother. Dr Beevi drew > wild > > > applause when she disclosed in Malayalam that > > > despite > > > being a Muslim woman she had made it her > business to > > > study Vedanta. > > > > > > She quoted the famous Adi Shankara Sanskrit > remark > > > that while there are many bad sons, there is > never a > > > bad mother: a quote, alas, employed by at least > > > three > > > speakers to shed light on the day's theme of > > > `Towards > > > A Deeper Understanding of Motherhood'. Dr > Poornima > > > Advani made a well-reasoned argument for the > > > introduction of meditation as a transformatibve > tool > > > in jails (a route already pursued by Sri Sri > Ravi > > > Shankar's Art of Living Foundation). Yolanda > King, > > > colourful in a JJ Valaya crinkled crepe skirt, > tunic > > > and jacket in a melange of saffron and green > with > === message truncated === The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 More from Amma yesterday: "Mothers are partly responsible for the plight of women today. Instead of repeatedly reminding their daughters that they are female and thus conditioning them, they should permit girls to grow in self-confidence. They should prepare their daughters to work on par with men. They should endow them with vocational training." --- Miranda Soliz <msoliz2000 wrote: > "Many women with professional careers in the arts > are > often not allowed to continue working after marriage > by their husbands. Because of all these, one day, > women will explode. The harmony of society will then > get upset, as it would during the final > dissolution." > > Spoken by Amma yesterday > http://amritavarsham.org/amma/satsang25.htm > > A U.S. background: > It was just after WWII and women had been working in > factories and such, taking the place of all the men > who were overseas. (By the way, women still > couldn't > VOTE in this country at that time - being asked to > work by the U.S. government was the catalyst for > their > arguemnt for suffrage) After the war, they didn't > want to simply go back to the home but wanted to > take > charge of their own lives. They'd had a taste of > controlling their own life and finances (In the > 1960's, a woman still couldn't purchase a car > without > her husband's permission - it wasn't a law; the > salesman wouldn't do it.). > > In an ideal world, the husband and wife should have > equal responsibilities, distributed how they see > fit. > Amma says it's good for women to progress in the > workplace but not to forget her motherly qualities. > Likewise, men must do the same. It is a dark day > when > ANY ADULT prefers to spend hours away from their > children in order to acquire more. If one is going > to > be gone, the other should be there. > > Given the choice, I would prefer to stay at home > with > my children. But I would ALWAYS rather have the > choice. BTW: It's not always for riches that a > women > will work (extra cars in the garage, etc.) but often > for survival. I have many friends, especially on the > east coast, who are married with children and both > work and still struggle to make mortgage payments. A > family in medium-to-large require at least $70k-80k > to > afford a home and two cars - not every husband is so > lucky to make that much at his work. Add to that > doctor visits, braces, pee-wee soccer uniforms, > homecoming dresses, home computer, and whatever > else... It's our culture that makes it difficult to > get by on only one salary. > > Jai Ma, > Gabriela > > --- ganesh108 <ganesh108 wrote: > > IMHO parenthood is the most important job on the > > planet (other than being the > > Divine Mother), and also the most difficult. After > > being dependent due to > > disability, however, I understand why women want > an > > identity other than > > homemaker and mother, as these jobs are not valued > > in the home or elsewhere. > > > > Prasadini > > > > "E. Lamb" wrote: > > > > > I agree with Bala. I think the snide comment in > > > a "news" story is also off-putting. In this > > county > > > too, there was a time when motherhood was > revered. > > > IMHO it was a dark day for this country when > women > > > decided it was "more meaningful" to have a new > > house, > > > two suv's, and new televisions rather than stay > > home > > > and take care of their priceless children. If > > > anyone wants to flame me for this, please do so > > off > > > the list. > > > > > > An unashamed traditionalist, > > > Jyotsna > > > > > > --- balakrishnan Shankar > > <balakrishnan_sh > > > wrote: > > > > Keval, > > > > > > > > I feel that the author of this article is a > > bit > > > > too hasty to condemn the speaker who talked of > > > > 'Motherhood' being a woman's greatest glory.. > I > > dont > > > > see that as being partriarchal at all.. In the > > > > indian cultural context, the mother is > sacred... > > > > 'Matru Devo Bhava' ( treat the mother as God) > > the > > > > scriptures say.. for obvious reasons no life > is > > > > possible without motherhood... > > > > > > > > also all over the world, and definitely in > > india, > > > > Motherly love is seen to be closest to that of > > God's > > > > in terms of utter selflessness... so the > > statement > > > > 'motherhood is a woman's greatest glory' is > not > > all > > > > that patriarchal- i think it merely > appreciates > > the > > > > value,depth and greatness of a mother's > > > > compassionate heart ... > > > > > > > > I dont think the speaker said that women > > shouldnt > > > > be treated equally or shouldnt vote ot go to > > work... > > > > those would have been chauvinistic comments.. > > but i > > > > dont see how glorifying motherliness can be > > > > considered 'patriarchal' or feudal .... i > think > > the > > > > author of the article doesnt understand the > > indian > > > > psyche or the reverence traditional india has > > for > > > > mothers.... > > > > > > > > To us every thing that is 'giving' by nature > > is > > > > the Mother- The vedas give knowledge so it is > > 'Veda > > > > Mata'- the 'Knowledge Mother'- the cow gives > > milk > > > > etc so it is 'Go-maata'... the very earth is > > > > compassonate and patient so it is 'bhoomi mata > - > > > > mother earth'..., the rivers give water- so > the > > > > ganges is 'Ganga Mata' etc etc ... > > > > > > > > > > > > any comments? > > > > > > > > bala > > > > > > > > Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > From today's newindpress.com > > > > > > > > Friday September 26 2003 00:00 IST > > > > > > > > Hidden ironies in Shaktispeak at Ammafest > > > > > > > > KOCHI: On Thursday, the international crowd in > > the > > > > Amriteshwari Hall near the Jawaharlal Nehru > > > > International Stadium numbered more than > 15,000. > > It > > > > was an eclectic mix of rich and poor, desi and > > > > international, from whiteclad Amma acolytes to > > > > saffron > > > > sanyasis and Indian devotees. > > > > > > > > On stage sat an unlikely guest row: American > > > > actress-activist Linda Evans (`Krystle > > Carrington' > > > > of > > > > 'Dynasty' fame, highly visible now in > > environmental > > > > causes); Dr K.S. Fathima Beevi, a Malayali > > student > > > > of > > > > Vedanta and member of the governing syndicate > of > > > > Mahatma Gandhi University, Dr Poornima Advani, > > > > Chairperson, National Commission for Women, > > Rabbi > > > > Leah > > > > Novick, pathfinder of the Jewish Renewal > > Movement, > > > > Dr > === message truncated === The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 > > A U.S. background: > It was just after WWII and women had been working in > factories and such, taking the place of all the men > who were overseas. (By the way, women still > couldn't > VOTE in this country at that time - being asked to > work by the U.S. government was the catalyst for > their > arguemnt for suffrage) Close, but wrong war Actually it was World War I that was the catalyst for women's suffrage. The 19th amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex" was ratified in 1920. Keval (who always keeps a copy of the U.S. Constitution handy!) The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Goodness! First I can't do math, then I get my world wars mixed up! Thanks for keeping an eye on me! --- Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > > > A U.S. background: > > It was just after WWII and women had been working > in > > factories and such, taking the place of all the > men > > who were overseas. (By the way, women still > > couldn't > > VOTE in this country at that time - being asked to > > work by the U.S. government was the catalyst for > > their > > arguemnt for suffrage) > > Close, but wrong war > Actually it was World War I that was the catalyst > for > women's suffrage. The 19th amendment: "The right of > citizens of the United States to vote shall not be > denied or abridged by the United States or by any > State on account of sex" was ratified in 1920. > > Keval > (who always keeps a copy of the U.S. Constitution > handy!) > > > > The New with improved product > search > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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