Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 However Amma says there is no difference, correct? > She says when we give up attachment we will see no > difference between ourselves and others, animals, > plants, etc. That we will see God in all things with > no difference. No. Amma says to see God in every one and not everyone is God. otherwise there is no meaning for God. Even Amma says that she is not God what to speak of other living beings. Yes when we give up attachment we will see God in all beings and His presence everywhere. we will not differentiate anyone since God is everywhere and that does not mean that individality would lost. There exist an individuality always as said by the lord Sri Krishna "na tv evaham jatu nasam na tvam neme janadhipah na caiva na bhavisyamah sarve vayam atah param" -Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. When Krishna spoke those words, I assumed (perhaps > wrongly) that he was speaking as GOD, not as Krishna > the body that was before Arjuna. When Lord Krishna Spoke, its not that the He is different from God. Its not that Krishna's body and Krishna as God are different. He is always one, He came down in his original form to teach Srimad Bhagvad Gita as told by Himself in the Gita. It is recommended to to do Dhyana on His personal form and not imporsanal form as said by the Lord Himself. Jai Ma & Jai Sri Krishna Ganesh --- Miranda Soliz <msoliz2000 wrote: > > So there is a super form above all forms and > > therefore > > super form is different from all other forms. > > Eventhough superform is qulitativly same as that > of > > other forms, but quantitatively a mighty & > > immeasurable one. > > Sri Madvacharya came down to tell this to all that > > God > > is different from Jivatma. > > Thanks to Sri Madvacharya! > > > > However, in our current lifecycle, it may be that > some > of us see God as separate, others as not separate, > some as Devi, others as Allah, and still others as > formless. > > I see no reason to question our own individual > heartfelt faith in whichever God we see in this > lifetime because we will have countless rebirths - > this lifetime may be such that we should focus on > the > current form or lack of form. In other words, I > won't > debate with my Christian friend that he and God are > the same because in this life, he sees God as > separate > and that's his path right now. And he doesn't try > to > convince me that his Bible is my path, because he > knows it's not. > > When Krishna spoke those words, I assumed (perhaps > wrongly) that he was speaking as GOD, not as Krishna > the body that was before Arjuna. Like when Jesus > said > in the Bible something to the effect that all who > seek > Him will come to Him - I took that as meaning GOD, > not > Jesus the man who said it. > > Also, is that statement, "fixed on my personal > form", > translated differently in other gitas, or is it > generally accepted that way? > > Gabriela > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 I found this in Awaken Children! Volume I: Question: Mother, it is said that there is godliness in human beings. If that is true, can a human become totally identified with God or can he become God? Mother: He is God. There is nothing to become. But at present, because of his accumulated tendencies, he is not aware of this great truth. Son, even if it is said that God is in man, there is a Power that transcends everything. That is the Supreme Reality. That is unique. That exists even beyond a Liberated Soul. And yet on another page... Question: If God is one and non-dual, why should we worship Shiva, Vishnu and other such gods? Mother: An actor takes many roles, but he remains the same. God is like that. Truth is one; the names and forms are diffrent. It is not that these are different gods. And last, on page 57: Mother: It is only by His grace that one gets the Non-dual Knowledge. Nobady can acquire Knowledge without Guru's grace and God's grace. Those who walk the path of duality will ultimately reach Non-duality. The [non-dualist] goes by himself and catches hold of God. Bhagavan cathes hold of the [dualist] and takes him closer to Himself. This is the only difference. Why scuffle with each other over this? Isn't it enough to reach the goal? One person travels by water, another by land. Both reach the same place. > It is recommended to to do Dhyana on His personal form and not imporsanal form as said by the Lord Himself. I don't know what "Dhyana" means, but Amma yes, suggests any form of God (including hers) as a focus. Jai Ma, Gabriela --- Ganesha Udupa <udupag wrote: > > However Amma says there is no difference, correct? > > She says when we give up attachment we will see no > > difference between ourselves and others, animals, > > plants, etc. That we will see God in all things > with > > no difference. > > No. Amma says to see God in every one and not > everyone > is God. otherwise there is no meaning for God. Even > Amma says that she is not God what to speak of other > living beings. Yes when we give up attachment we > will > see God in all beings and His presence everywhere. > we > will not differentiate anyone since God is > everywhere > and that does not mean that individality would lost. > There exist an individuality always as said by the > lord Sri Krishna > "na tv evaham jatu nasam > na tvam neme janadhipah > na caiva na bhavisyamah > sarve vayam atah param" > -Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor > you, > nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of > us > cease to be. > > When Krishna spoke those words, I assumed (perhaps > > wrongly) that he was speaking as GOD, not as > Krishna > > the body that was before Arjuna. > > When Lord Krishna Spoke, its not that the He is > different from God. Its not that Krishna's body and > Krishna as God are different. He is always one, He > came down in his original form to teach Srimad > Bhagvad > Gita as told by Himself in the Gita. It is > recommended to to do Dhyana on His personal form > and > not imporsanal form as said by the Lord Himself. > > Jai Ma & Jai Sri Krishna > Ganesh The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 Namaste Gabriela, Dhyana means 'meditation', which is another way of saying prayer. We are all drops of the ocean that is God. We are all made of the same material, and that is Divinity. Tat twam asi! Jai Ma, With love, Erica Ammachi, Miranda Soliz <msoliz2000> wrote: > I found this in Awaken Children! Volume I: > > Question: Mother, it is said that there is godliness > in human beings. If that is true, can a human become > totally identified with God or can he become God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 AAaaaahhhh.... Meditation! Thank you! --- Erica <sugarandbrine wrote: > Namaste Gabriela, > > Dhyana means 'meditation', which is another way of > saying prayer. > > We are all drops of the ocean that is God. We are > all made of the > same material, and that is Divinity. > > Tat twam asi! > > Jai Ma, > With love, > Erica > > Ammachi, Miranda Soliz > <msoliz2000> wrote: > > I found this in Awaken Children! Volume I: > > > > Question: Mother, it is said that there is > godliness > > in human beings. If that is true, can a human > become > > totally identified with God or can he become God? > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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