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Happiness and Suffering: I have heard Amma speak highly of both of these,

and I fail to see how this is not contradictory. In one place, recently quoted,

She said that if you are happy, then you can receive Love or Shakti much more

readily. Yet, in other places, She has said that suffering, and not

happiness, is the best teacher. How do these go together? extra points for

good

grammar and spelling ;-) Avram

 

 

 

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Dear Avram,

 

All I can say is, for myself, when I am happy, truly happy, it is when I

feel filled with Mother, and I feel Her very much with me. Then, of

course I can turn on a dime and become immersed in Maya. I can be

happily immersed in Maya, but my heart isn't happy. I am happy with

worldly "things" - things are as I want them, etc., but I don't consider

worldly happiness to be true happiness. It does not make me feel good

all over, and I am always worried that it will go away. When I am

suffering, truly suffering, I call out to Her, sometimes ranting and

raving to Her to alleviate my suffering. The other day I was in extreme

physical pain, and I was yelling at Her and cursing Her. After several

minutes of this I walked into the kitchen and closed the window.

Suddenly the pain and mental anguish stopped. Go figure. In any event,

the intense suffering caused me to pull my senses inward and in

desperation I turned to the only One who could help - even though I was

really angry that She was making me go through the suffering - or it was

my karma.

 

Like many others on the list have expressed, I feel that I am

floundering and separate from Mother these days. A friend of mine says

that that is when Mother is working on us.

 

Namah Shivaya

Prasadini

 

sprose1 wrote:

 

> Happiness and Suffering: I have heard Amma speak highly of both of

> these,

> and I fail to see how this is not contradictory. In one place,

> recently quoted,

> She said that if you are happy, then you can receive Love or Shakti

> much more

> readily. Yet, in other places, She has said that suffering, and not

> happiness, is the best teacher. How do these go together? extra

> points for good

> grammar and spelling ;-) Avram

>

>

>

>

>

> Sponsor

 

 

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

> Ammachi

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>

 

 

 

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Ammachi, sprose1@a... wrote:

> Happiness and Suffering: I have heard Amma speak highly of both of

these,

> and I fail to see how this is not contradictory. In one place,

recently quoted,

> She said that if you are happy, then you can receive Love or Shakti

much more

> readily. Yet, in other places, She has said that suffering, and not

> happiness, is the best teacher. How do these go together? extra

points for good

> grammar and spelling ;-) Avram

 

I was just reading a talk from Sw. Vivekananda the other day where he

says that both pleasure is not what we should seek from life, as it

is just the cousin of pain. It was a very dynamic talk re:

renunciation and self-realization. Really, his collected talks are

like dynamite...very well worth reading. I think the idea is to go

beyond the duality of the pairs of opposites in order to remain in

witness consciousness. I also think that what Amma is asking us to do

is to remain content...even in adverse situations, (and contentment

is one of the niyamas I think, right?) so that grace can flow. If we

are always unhappy and depressed, it is difficult for the divine

energy to find residence in our beings. You can't just become

ecstatic in a depressed state of mind...you must find a sense of

peace, contentment and surrender, methinks! Then grace follows. And

yet suffering, as Amma says, I think is a great teacher in this

world. It is through suffering that we mature, develop compassion for

our brothers and sisters, and eventually return to God. Just some

more thoughts. I usually don't talk so much on this list, but

somehow I'm on a roll today. Hope I'm not boring all of you.

 

Lisa

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--- lbrachlin <lalita120 wrote:

> Ammachi, sprose1@a... wrote:

> > Happiness and Suffering: I have heard Amma speak

> highly of both of

> these,

> > and I fail to see how this is not contradictory.

> In one place,

> recently quoted,

> > She said that if you are happy, then you can

> receive Love or Shakti

> much more

> > readily. Yet, in other places, She has said that

> suffering, and not

> > happiness, is the best teacher. How do these go

> together? extra

> points for good

> > grammar and spelling ;-) Avram

>

> I was just reading a talk from Sw. Vivekananda the

> other day where he

> says that both pleasure is not what we should seek

> from life, as it

> is just the cousin of pain. It was a very dynamic

> talk re:

> renunciation and self-realization. Really, his

> collected talks are

> like dynamite...very well worth reading.

 

 

 

Is it any wonder that Sw. Vivekanada's birthday is

celebrated as National Youth Day in India.

 

Offcourse he died on July 4th which is a coincidence .

 

> idea is to go

> beyond the duality of the pairs of opposites in

> order to remain in

> witness consciousness. I also think that what Amma

> is asking us to do

> is to remain content...even in adverse situations,

> (and contentment

> is one of the niyamas I think, right?) so that grace

> can flow. If we

> are always unhappy and depressed, it is difficult

> for the divine

> energy to find residence in our beings. You can't

> just become

> ecstatic in a depressed state of mind...you must

> find a sense of

> peace, contentment and surrender, methinks! Then

> grace follows. And

> yet suffering, as Amma says, I think is a great

> teacher in this

> world. It is through suffering that we mature,

> develop compassion for

> our brothers and sisters, and eventually return to

> God. Just some

> more thoughts. I usually don't talk so much on this

> list, but

> somehow I'm on a roll today. Hope I'm not boring all

> of you.

>

> Lisa

>

>

 

 

 

 

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