Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 on 12/4/03 11:30 AM, Dianna Hutchinson at girija wrote: > I am a Fairfield,Iowa Amma devotee. My son and some of his friends will be > attending school in Toronto beginning in Jan. We need to find an apt/house (3 > bedrooms) for him. His school is the school for the circus performing arts > right in central downtown Toronto. Can anyone give me a contact person for him > in Toronto.He is also an Amma devotee. Also, any help with whom to contact re: > finding a safe apt.or house. He will have a car and can live a reasonable > distance and ride the metro. We will be in Toronto from Dec. 7th through Dec > 11th. if there are any suggestions. > > Toronto, Ontario Stephen Ginsberg and Raman Nair 76 Jane Street Toronto, ON M6S 3Y5 Canada € Phone: 416-760-7685 (Stephen) € Phone: 905-785-8175 (Raman) € Fax: 416-763-4799 € Email: postmaster € Satsangs: Every Saturday at 6:00 6m with rotating location. Call Stephen for weekly information or visit www.amma-centre-of-canada.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 I agree that different devotees have very different experiences not only of the spiritual path, but of Amma as well, which i attribute to karma of the individual. I study astrology and through the birth chart you can see evidence of what the experience with the guru will be, which spiritual path, and actually all other aspects of our lives. Without going into depth about these differences, i think it is important to note and remember that while all of us that have had the extreme grace to be with Amma during this lifetime, some of us have aquired karma from the past that allows "extra grace" , for lack of a better way to say it. Amma is available for all us - how we are able experience her is our own karma. I tried relating to Amma as the gentle divine compassionate mother. I feel like i am now being led to see her as Kali, the fierce devourer, compassionately sucking our karmic poison into herself through her embraces. So when other people talk about Amma as a gentle loving mother, i feel like i can't really relate to it. It has been confusing, internally, to me. But this is my path with Amma....evidenced in one example by her name for me: Kalika. In Ammachi marcia/kalika It is true that there are occasional quotes about not seeking after the outer Amma, but I think for myself when new, and possibly others when they are new on this path, it is very difficult to reconcile the vast number of printed examples of Amma's kindness and compassion with the seeming coldness a devotee may encounter. Some of those who are the most glib about this have never experienced it. (And I'm not suggesting anyone on this board is glib, but I have seen devotees be glib about it.) When I mentioned to Amma this summer that there was a fair amount of pain on this path, She said that it is our pain that keeps us close to Her! I offer these comments for anyone who is as befuddled as I was in the early years. For some, the path more resembles the book "Daughter of Fire" than the book "Ammachi." Heart aflame for Amma, Jyotsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Dear Kalikk, Interesting. My first guru gave me the name Bhadrakali, and many years later when I wanted Mother to name me as Her daughter, She gave me ghe name "Prasadini", which She said means "gives to everyone". The first name I think of as fierce, the second as gentle. I guess as two of the many the aspects of God, and of we mortals. I certainly see Mother as giving to everyone, and hope She takes away our negative karmas. What a Mother !!! Jai Ma! Prasadini marcia wrote: > I agree that different devotees have very different experiences not > only of the spiritual path, but of Amma as well, which i attribute to > karma of the individual. I study astrology and through the birth chart > you can see evidence of what the experience with the guru will be, > which spiritual path, and actually all other aspects of our lives. > Without going into depth about these differences, i think it is > important to note and remember that while all of us that have had the > extreme grace to be with Amma during this lifetime, some of us have > aquired karma from the past that allows "extra grace" , for lack of a > better way to say it. Amma is available for all us - how we are able > experience her is our own karma. > I tried relating to Amma as the gentle divine compassionate mother. I > feel like i am now being led to see her as Kali, the fierce devourer, > compassionately sucking our karmic poison into herself through her > embraces. So when other people talk about Amma as a gentle loving > mother, i feel like i can't really relate to it. It has been > confusing, internally, to me. But this is my path with > Amma....evidenced in one example by her name for me: Kalika. > > In Ammachi > marcia/kalika It is true that there are occasional quotes > about not seeking after the outer Amma, but > I think for myself when new, and possibly others > when they are new on this path, it is very difficult > to reconcile the vast number of printed examples of > Amma's kindness and compassion with the seeming > coldness a devotee may encounter. Some of those > who are the most glib about this have never > experienced it. (And I'm not suggesting anyone > on this board is glib, but I have seen devotees > be glib about it.) When I mentioned to Amma > this summer that there was a fair amount of > pain on this path, She said that it is our > pain that keeps us close to Her! I offer these > comments for anyone who is as befuddled as I > was in the early years. For some, the path more > resembles the book "Daughter of Fire" than > the book "Ammachi." > > Heart aflame for Amma, > Jyotsna > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > ------------------------------ > Links > > * > Ammachi/ > > * > Ammachi > > * Terms of > Service. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 - marcia Ammachi Friday, January 09, 2004 3:28 PM re: Namaste, Kalika, Like you, I have a difficult time relating to the "physical" Amma; while Her gentleness and loving devotion are obvious and, for me, part of the 'human' aspect of Her nature, the first time I met Her, I was far far more awed by the power I felt emanating from Her and by the absolute vastness I felt while She was hugging me. I have never heard anyone else mention this, but I quite literally felt that, while I could feel the front side (how awkward our words are!) of Mother touching me, I was terribly aware of having no sense of the 'borders' of Her form. I knew that my arms were against what should have been Her sides and/or Her back but there was literally no sense of an end, so to speak, to Her . There was also an odd sense of having been 'shoved' away from Amma at the end of Her embrace - no sense of cheek detaching from cheek, chest from chest, etc; it was more of a repelling than anything. This worried me immensely at first - had Amma REALLY shoved me away? I dreamed that night, however, and saw (somehow; you know how dreams are!) that the sensation I had experienced was much like two force fields separating - like magnets that are together and then moved just far apart that the connection is broken. I hope this makes even a modicum of sense to you because it's so hard to explain and seems so far from the experiences I usually see recounted. For me, the experience of being with Mother left me much as movies depict Moses as having been as he came off the mount from seeing the burning bush; I am glad Mother is a kind Mother because I would be terrified of seeing Her power and energy released otherwise. Is there any way for me to find out if this is part of my nature or what my path is supposed to be? Any advice/references you could offer would truly be appreciated; the first time I even heard of Mother was when I saw Her on the Today show -with the volume on 'mute' -and I knew just by seeing Her that I had to be with Her - and now that I have, I am even more certain of that but I am also certain that She truly has little to do with that cute, cuddly Indian lady we see with our eyes. She is, for me, truly God walking among us -and what I feel is awe, indescribable love, and deep, unending humility in Her presence. Could you help with this? Several aspects of my life have taken such odd turns that I am curious about how some of this works. I am certain I did not end up where/who I am today by accident and feel that another massive, massive change (not necessarily spiritual in its initial presentation) is just ahead of me, but by myself, I cannot know this for certain. Thank you in advance, dear sister, for any response you have. Always at Mother's lotus feet, Snehalata I agree that different devotees have very different experiences not only of the spiritual path, but of Amma as well, which i attribute to karma of the individual. I study astrology and through the birth chart you can see evidence of what the experience with the guru will be, which spiritual path, and actually all other aspects of our lives. Without going into depth about these differences, i think it is important to note and remember that while all of us that have had the extreme grace to be with Amma during this lifetime, some of us have aquired karma from the past that allows "extra grace" , for lack of a better way to say it. Amma is available for all us - how we are able experience her is our own karma. I tried relating to Amma as the gentle divine compassionate mother. I feel like i am now being led to see her as Kali, the fierce devourer, compassionately sucking our karmic poison into herself through her embraces. So when other people talk about Amma as a gentle loving mother, i feel like i can't really relate to it. It has been confusing, internally, to me. But this is my path with Amma....evidenced in one example by her name for me: Kalika. In Ammachi marcia/kalika It is true that there are occasional quotes about not seeking after the outer Amma, but I think for myself when new, and possibly others when they are new on this path, it is very difficult to reconcile the vast number of printed examples of Amma's kindness and compassion with the seeming coldness a devotee may encounter. Some of those who are the most glib about this have never experienced it. (And I'm not suggesting anyone on this board is glib, but I have seen devotees be glib about it.) When I mentioned to Amma this summer that there was a fair amount of pain on this path, She said that it is our pain that keeps us close to Her! I offer these comments for anyone who is as befuddled as I was in the early years. For some, the path more resembles the book "Daughter of Fire" than the book "Ammachi." Heart aflame for Amma, Jyotsna Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Links Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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