Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Dear Shirly, I believe too much has already been made of a very innocent question by our sister Iswari. If we can't ask our innocent questions here, then where? I very much appreciate Iswari's love and devotion and sharing of her wisdom and experience. Hang in there, Iswari! Your writing indicates that you may well be Indian yourself, as you do not use Engish as a native speaker. I do not believe that Amma wants Indians and westerners to be criticizing each other on that basis. Have a good day. In Amma, Jyotsna --- shirlybaburajan <shirlybaburajan wrote: > Aum Namah Sivaya! > > Thank you Arun for the info. > > I understand you are from India. > > It was wise of you not to respond to Iswari's > defensive statements. > The ego keeps on defending endlessly. > > Many of the people in the west do not have the > traditional qualities > that most of you indians & other easterns have. > > Sraddha is a quality of vital importance. People who > do not have > that, go round in circles all their lives, > misleading themselves and > others around them. > > I learnt from an inmate of Amritapuri Ashram that, > its a part of > India's sacred tradition of "guru parampara", that > Amma disallows > charging a fee for this invaluable course. But as > part of tradition, > the student has the duty of offering something to > the Guru at the end > of the course, as a mark of gratefulness. Here in > the US, we > say, "there is nothing called free lunch". only if > you have to pay a > high price for something will most people value it. > > Arun, please continue participating in the group, > more actively. > > What are the various obstacles, mistakes & hazards > encountered while > practising "I AM TECHNIQUE"? > > ever in Her embrace, > Shirly. > > P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, > that someone who > calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & > dictums. > > > Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." > <mydeararunraj> > wrote: > > Blessed soul, > > > > In the first place, why do you have to worry about > these things? > Practise is all you have to do. > > > > Actually before i had taken the course at > amritapuri, i had a > discussion with a inmate of the Ashram on the > secrecy aspect of the > course. > > > > The reasons, i came to know are two: > > > > 1. most of the ppl who learn the technque are not > ppl who > understand the value of this technique, or for that > matter the great > tradition of Yoga. For them its more or less a > fad... ppl just go > around and say .. "I learn this & that there". So > there is a need to > instill a bit seriousness in the practise. > > > > 2. The "I AM TECNIQUE" in fact is a very advanced > method. There are > similar techiques in the Yogavashishtam (one of the > most advanced > texts of Yoga). anyone who goes around and acts a > self proclaimed > instructor, will put ppl in serious trouble with > their nervous > system. In fact, mistakes will create very serious > irreversable > complications. > > > > Once Br. Girish who drives Amma car once told me > that none of the > sanyasis who accompany Amma, have ever understood > Her ways. So its > easier for us if we could just accept whatever that > comes from Amma > as it is. > > > > One who goes inward will never worry on these > aspects of the ways > of the Sat Guru. > > > > at Her Lotus Feet, > > arunmon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > Dear brothers and sisters, > > > > Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would > only be open to > those who accepted > > Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from > her -- in which > case, the > > confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, > more recently, I > was told that it is > > now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether > or s/he accepts > Amma as his or > > her spiritual teacher or has received mantra > initiation, as long as > the person > > acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, > is committed to > practicing it > > regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing > it to others. > > > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not > contingent on a > guru-disciple/devotee > > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? > Is it to keep the > technique pure? > > > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker > <patria1818> > wrote: > > > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > > > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of > this > > > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that > we > > > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to > Amma > > > devotees who haven't taken the training. > Violators > > > could be facing legal action in Alameda County > court. > > > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Ammachi/ > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > Ammachi > > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, > Picture Messages and > more.Download now. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Namah Shivaya, I, too, believer that Ishwari's original inquiry was innocent and completely acceptable. She simply asked "I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru disciple/devotee relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure?" The answer to her simple inquiry is probably, simply yes. Arun has also made some helpful comments here about the guru/discipe relationship. Ishwari's simple inquiry has been put through the filter of ego here and made into something it deserves not to be. It is unfair to judge her so harshly. She has a right to ask this question. I'm sure the swami's and the instructors of this course would simply answer her fairly as she deserves to be answered. Perhaps it gets a little complicated because the technique is now being offered to people who aren't devotees and don't consider Amma as their guru. I know several people who are planning to take this course in Denver when it comes here in February and they aren't devotees of Amma at all. This wasn't the case when we took the course in India. So Ishwari's question is a legitimate one. Several people have approached me and inquired about this. For some people it is a little confusing and for others, they want take it very seriously and want to understand what their responsibility and commitment may be when taking this training. We should all try our best to help people with this matter of confusion and not make them feel guilty or unworthy in the process. Let us all serve Amma better in this way by showing our love and compassion in the proper way to respond to them. Let us not judge people by their western or eastern heritage. Jai Amma! Lisa Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > Dear Shirly, > > I believe too much has already been made of a > very innocent question by our sister Iswari. > If we can't ask our innocent questions here, > then where? I very much appreciate Iswari's > love and devotion and sharing of her wisdom > and experience. Hang in there, Iswari! > > Your writing indicates that you may well be > Indian yourself, as you do not use Engish > as a native speaker. I do not believe that > Amma wants Indians and westerners to be > criticizing each other on that basis. > Have a good day. > > In Amma, > Jyotsna > > > > > --- shirlybaburajan <shirlybaburajan> wrote: > > Aum Namah Sivaya! > > > > Thank you Arun for the info. > > > > I understand you are from India. > > > > It was wise of you not to respond to Iswari's > > defensive statements. > > The ego keeps on defending endlessly. > > > > Many of the people in the west do not have the > > traditional qualities > > that most of you indians & other easterns have. > > > > Sraddha is a quality of vital importance. People who > > do not have > > that, go round in circles all their lives, > > misleading themselves and > > others around them. > > > > I learnt from an inmate of Amritapuri Ashram that, > > its a part of > > India's sacred tradition of "guru parampara", that > > Amma disallows > > charging a fee for this invaluable course. But as > > part of tradition, > > the student has the duty of offering something to > > the Guru at the end > > of the course, as a mark of gratefulness. Here in > > the US, we > > say, "there is nothing called free lunch". only if > > you have to pay a > > high price for something will most people value it. > > > > Arun, please continue participating in the group, > > more actively. > > > > What are the various obstacles, mistakes & hazards > > encountered while > > practising "I AM TECHNIQUE"? > > > > ever in Her embrace, > > Shirly. > > > > P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, > > that someone who > > calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & > > dictums. > > > > > > Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." > > <mydeararunraj> > > wrote: > > > Blessed soul, > > > > > > In the first place, why do you have to worry about > > these things? > > Practise is all you have to do. > > > > > > Actually before i had taken the course at > > amritapuri, i had a > > discussion with a inmate of the Ashram on the > > secrecy aspect of the > > course. > > > > > > The reasons, i came to know are two: > > > > > > 1. most of the ppl who learn the technque are not > > ppl who > > understand the value of this technique, or for that > > matter the great > > tradition of Yoga. For them its more or less a > > fad... ppl just go > > around and say .. "I learn this & that there". So > > there is a need to > > instill a bit seriousness in the practise. > > > > > > 2. The "I AM TECNIQUE" in fact is a very advanced > > method. There are > > similar techiques in the Yogavashishtam (one of the > > most advanced > > texts of Yoga). anyone who goes around and acts a > > self proclaimed > > instructor, will put ppl in serious trouble with > > their nervous > > system. In fact, mistakes will create very serious > > irreversable > > complications. > > > > > > Once Br. Girish who drives Amma car once told me > > that none of the > > sanyasis who accompany Amma, have ever understood > > Her ways. So its > > easier for us if we could just accept whatever that > > comes from Amma > > as it is. > > > > > > One who goes inward will never worry on these > > aspects of the ways > > of the Sat Guru. > > > > > > at Her Lotus Feet, > > > arunmon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > Dear brothers and sisters, > > > > > > Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would > > only be open to > > those who accepted > > > Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from > > her -- in which > > case, the > > > confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, > > more recently, I > > was told that it is > > > now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether > > or s/he accepts > > Amma as his or > > > her spiritual teacher or has received mantra > > initiation, as long as > > the person > > > acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, > > is committed to > > practicing it > > > regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing > > it to others. > > > > > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not > > contingent on a > > guru-disciple/devotee > > > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? > > Is it to keep the > > technique pure? > > > > > > Iswari > > > > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker > > <patria1818> > > wrote: > > > > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > > > > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of > > this > > > > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that > > we > > > > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to > > Amma > > > > devotees who haven't taken the training. > > Violators > > > > could be facing legal action in Alameda County > > court. > > > > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > Ammachi/ > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > Ammachi > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, > > Picture Messages and > > more.Download now. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I wanted to express my gratitude to everyone who responded with thoughtfulness and understanding. In case I am not able to respond to everyone individually in a timely manner, I wanted to say that this really meant a lot to me, on a number of levels. Namah shivaya, Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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