Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 - Amarthya Ammachi Friday, January 23, 2004 1:29 PM Re: Confidentiality of IAM technique? Ammachi, Namaste, Ramlal and others, I lightly, and with love for you as a brother in Mother, suggest that, while you may feel that you know who the "right" person was, such broad generalizations aren't always entirely correct. The chain of events you mention and the two message you referred back to were not necessarily the catalysts for every response. I can't speak for anyone else, but I was one of the responders/critics and, to continue your metaphor, I knew exactly who I had in my "sights" - and my aim was dead accurate. At Mother's feet, Snehalata > Namaskar, > > > LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? The > critics don't even have the right person in their sights! > > Love, > Ramlal > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:20:40 -0000, ammasiswari <ammasiswari> > wrote: > > <snip> > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a > > guru-disciple/devotee > > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the > > technique > > pure? > > > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > >> Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > >> (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > >> teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > >> wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > >> devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > >> could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > >> Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > -- > Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya > Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine > Avatara-Varishthaya > Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Links Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Dear Snehalata, I didn't actually notice that you had posted to the thread, and I grant your point, but my observation applies to the thread in general and I believe it is accurate. My post was an attempt at using humor ("LOL") to try and help us to step back and look at this particular bizarre (but instructive) conversation in which one of our members politely asked for an objective answer to a reasonable question - "why is it confidential?" Objective answers were few, instead, the responses used Iswari's question as a launch pad for all sorts of offensive personal reference, criticism, self-righteousness, and hurt feelings - a veritable theater of the ego - and on and on it rolls in relentless subjectivity. Know this: egoity is a tar-baby, touch it and we can't let go, not until it engulfs us. Let's keep the conversation in the objective domain, and let's focus on Ma instead of on the egoity that has kept us bound up in misery for eons. Love, Ramlal PS It's snowing in Keosauqua :-) On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:55:05 -0500, Dixie Thacker <dixielou wrote: <snip> I can't speak for anyone else, but I was one of the responders/critics > and, to > continue your metaphor, I knew exactly who I had in my "sights" - and my > aim was > dead accurate. > > At Mother's feet, > Snehalata > > >> Namaskar, >> >> > LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? > The > critics don't even have the right person in their sights! >> >> Love, >> Ramlal -- Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine Avatara-Varishthaya Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 - "Ramlal" <conte <Ammachi> Saturday, January 24, 2004 10:40 AM Re: Re: presumptions > Dear Snehalata, > > I didn't actually notice that you had posted to the thread, and I grant your point, but my observation applies to the thread in general and I believe it is accurate. *********************************** You have given me wonderful guidance in the past and have posted kindly, but lately your words have hit me wrong every time- which after consideration, leads me to believe the issue may be mine. I agree with you but the word "sermonizing" felt like a red flag in front of a bull for me - again, perhaps my own sensitivty but it just felt judgmental. My apologies: I will not judge your intent again. I don't want mine judged so I should get that beam out of my own eye before I doctor yours. *****************************************> > Know this: egoity is a tar-baby, touch it and we can't let go, not until it engulfs us. Let's keep the conversation in the objective domain, and let's focus on Ma instead of on the egoity that has kept us bound up in misery for eons. > *************************************** Again, I know I added to this and admitted that I had struggled against replying simply because I knew, since our (yours and mine) Ramakrishna discussion, that I do respond from pure ego. I had probably typed ten responses and deleted them all until the warning came for Iswari to think before she posts. In the final analysis, though, I think you're right. I have really felt awful since responding (as I knew I would before I did it!) and have been particularly bothered by my reactions to your posts lately. Perhaps Mother is having you help me see how flawed I still I - I had been feeling some very small measure of success with the ego issue,but am seeing quite clearly that my successes probably stemmed from a lack of challenges to my ego! SO....I'll keep working on it. Right now, I suspect I've slipped so far that I can forget the idea of becoming self-realized....Mother probably won't even let me reincarnate as a rat if I don't shape up! Apologies to all, but particularly to this brother. And thanks for the Keo weather report: I may live in WV, but Iowa owns my soul. Love, Snehalata > Love, > Ramlal > > PS It's snowing in Keosauqua :-) > > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:55:05 -0500, Dixie Thacker <dixielou > wrote: > > <snip> I can't speak for anyone else, but I was one of the > responders/critics > > and, to > > continue your metaphor, I knew exactly who I had in my "sights" - and my > > aim was > > dead accurate. > > > > At Mother's feet, > > Snehalata > > > > > >> Namaskar, > >> > >> > LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? > > The > critics don't even have the right person in their sights! > >> > >> Love, > >> Ramlal > > -- > Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya > Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine > Avatara-Varishthaya > Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > Your > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Dear Snehalata and List, On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:48:05 -0500, Dixie Thacker <dixielou wrote: > I have really felt awful since responding (as I knew I would before I > did > it!) and have been particularly bothered by my reactions to your posts > lately. Perhaps Mother is having you help me see how flawed I still... I'm thankful Mother is able to find some good use for my irritating ways! > Right now, I suspect > I've slipped so far that I can forget the idea of becoming > self-realized....Mother probably won't even let me reincarnate as a rat > if I > don't shape up! This is why we have Teachers, they can see the progress we are making even when we can't. No need to be so grim about it! > Apologies to all, but particularly to this brother. I too apologize for using "red flag" words when I could have been more tender. However, when it's a topic that's had general participation, most of what I write shouldn't be taken too personally because I don't ordinarily look to see who I'm answering. And even if I do try to figure out who wrote what, I'm wrong more times than not. So the times are few and far between when I have any one particular person in mind. > And thanks for the Keo > weather report: I may live in WV, but Iowa owns my soul. Typical Iowa, it's sunny now. Sunshine for your soul :-) Love, Ramlal -- Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine Avatara-Varishthaya Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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