Guest guest Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Thank you, both of you. I did find the Devi Mahatmyam, and the Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu thing in it. I wish I could find one with the english and sanskrit transliteration together, instead of in seperate documents. Maybe I'll make one, so I can chant it in sanskrit and read the english as I go along. I spent most of the afternoon reading the Devi Mahatmyam! Wonderful story! I always get overwhelmed reading scriptures, half expecting to run into something as confusing as the Bible, but really this is a powerful story, with a lot of incredibly moving praise of Devi and beautiful images of Kali springing forth from Devi's forehead, ect. Anyone can read this scripture! Now the question, is there a printed edition with a particularly good translation/commentary that anyone would recomend? Jai Ma!! Brianna --- Erica <sugarandbrine wrote: > Dear Brianna, > > The Devi Mahatmyam is very beautiful! I believe, > also, that Krishna > Das has made a recording of this (at least in part). > > See this link: > > http://www.krishnadas.com/pilgrim/docs/pilgrim10.html > > If you've never explored his kirtan CDs, please do! > His love and > devotion come flowing through the speakers and > flutter directly to > your heart. Such a gift! > > With love, > Niseema > > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" > <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > Dear Brianna, > > > > That chant is from the Devi Mahatmyam (aka Chandi, > also aka Durga > > Saptasati). > > > > Here is a link that has the chant (may not be > complete, but seems > to > > be pretty much so). > > > > http://www.eaisai.com/baba/docs/sldevi.html. (got > from searching > the > > Internet - Google!) > > > > In this link, page down to where it says "Devi > Stuthi". > > > > The Durga devi chants are awesome! > > > > > > Jai Ma! > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! Dear Brianna, Reading scriptures or any Vedanta books, other than great experiences with the Guru, can confuse us, if it is not followed by a guidance by a Sat Guru or a good scriptural teacher. Actually reading scriptures ourselves, will make lot of confusion in our mind. instead we can at least do two hours Sadhana, daily morning one hour, and evening one hour we can chant and meditate, it is more useful for our Sadhana. You know the after effects of the Religious study taking the literal meaning and going against the world in the name of Jihad! So proper studies of scriptures are necessary, otherwise we will endup in confusion and other psychic problems. Scriptures like, Bhagawatham, Devi Mahatmayam, Siva puranam, contains subtle meanings packed in it, only a learned Guru can explore it and make us understand. Otherwise we will totally misunderstand, and reading the Vedanta texts ourselves confuses us and makes our EGO in superlative degree. We may say that OUR Guru never learned scriptures, the simple answer for that is We are not our GURU! With Love & OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! OM Nama Shivaya Krishna Prasad Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Thank you, both of you. I did find the Devi Mahatmyam, > and the Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu thing in it. I wish I > could find one with the english and sanskrit > transliteration together, instead of in seperate > documents. Maybe I'll make one, so I can chant it in > sanskrit and read the english as I go along. > > I spent most of the afternoon reading the Devi > Mahatmyam! Wonderful story! I always get overwhelmed > reading scriptures, half expecting to run into > something as confusing as the Bible, but really this > is a powerful story, with a lot of incredibly moving > praise of Devi and beautiful images of Kali springing > forth from Devi's forehead, ect. Anyone can read this > scripture! > > Now the question, is there a printed edition with a > particularly good translation/commentary that anyone > would recomend? > > Jai Ma!! > > Brianna > > --- Erica <sugarandbrine> wrote: > > Dear Brianna, > > > > The Devi Mahatmyam is very beautiful! I believe, > > also, that Krishna > > Das has made a recording of this (at least in part). > > > > See this link: > > > > > http://www.krishnadas.com/pilgrim/docs/pilgrim10.html > > > > If you've never explored his kirtan CDs, please do! > > His love and > > devotion come flowing through the speakers and > > flutter directly to > > your heart. Such a gift! > > > > With love, > > Niseema > > > > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" > > <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > > > That chant is from the Devi Mahatmyam (aka Chandi, > > also aka Durga > > > Saptasati). > > > > > > Here is a link that has the chant (may not be > > complete, but seems > > to > > > be pretty much so). > > > > > > http://www.eaisai.com/baba/docs/sldevi.html. (got > > from searching > > the > > > Internet - Google!) > > > > > > In this link, page down to where it says "Devi > > Stuthi". > > > > > > The Durga devi chants are awesome! > > > > > > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Namah Shivayah! I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The ones I have been studying regularly for several years are Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations and commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary study for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I have not studied any of these under the guidance of a Sat Guru. Only Sat Guru I know personally is Amma, although I swear one time I met the Buddha on a bus.... I do pray for Her grace before studying these texts. But you know, as I was raised Hindu, I grew up reading Amar Chitra Katha (in childhood). In adolescence I focused more on reading about the lives of various saints and yogis, and began my practice of hatha yoga, which led me to begin to delve into the above mentioned sacred writings. Now that I am a teacher, I feel a responsibility towards continuous study and contemplation, I do consider it part of my sadhana. I know that I am not always grasping the full meaning of what I'm reading, but a lot of what I didn't get eight years ago, I get now. I've chosen to focus only on these particular texts because of their relevence to my line of work, and to my personal practice. I let Devi Mahatmyam sort of wash over me, I realize that there is a lot in there that I don't understand. I was just looking for Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu, which I'd heard in San Ramon as a beautiful and stirring song in praise of Her. I don't yet have plans to add the Devi Mahatmyam to my list of scriptures to study in depth. Maybe someday, but like you said, they are packed with subtle meanings and I wouldn't tackle it without proper guidance. But is there danger of inflating the ego in just reading it? In that case, what danger am I in from my studies of Bhagavad Gita, Yoga Sutras and Hatha Yoga Pradipika? Please explain! Do you think it's better to just do the practice and let the work just work for itself, or should one supplement our practice with scriptural study? And should that study be only under the guidance of a Satguru? Should I ask Amma about the studies I have been doing? Sending love and hugs, Jai Ma!! Brianna --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! > > Dear Brianna, > > Reading scriptures or any Vedanta books, other than > great experiences > with the Guru, can confuse us, if it is not followed > by a guidance by > a Sat Guru or a good scriptural teacher. > > Actually reading scriptures ourselves, will make lot > of confusion in > our mind. instead we can at least do two hours > Sadhana, daily morning > one hour, and evening one hour we can chant and > meditate, it is more > useful for our Sadhana. > > You know the after effects of the Religious study > taking the literal > meaning and going against the world in the name of > Jihad! So proper > studies of scriptures are necessary, otherwise we > will endup in > confusion and other psychic problems. > > Scriptures like, Bhagawatham, Devi Mahatmayam, Siva > puranam, contains > subtle meanings packed in it, only a learned Guru > can explore it and > make us understand. Otherwise we will totally > misunderstand, and > reading the Vedanta texts ourselves confuses us and > makes our EGO in > superlative degree. > > We may say that OUR Guru never learned scriptures, > the simple answer > for that is We are not our GURU! > > With Love & OM! > > OM Amriteswariye Namaha! > OM Nama Shivaya > > Krishna Prasad > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller > <rubyrapunzel> > wrote: > > Thank you, both of you. I did find the Devi > Mahatmyam, > > and the Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu thing in it. I wish I > > could find one with the english and sanskrit > > transliteration together, instead of in seperate > > documents. Maybe I'll make one, so I can chant it > in > > sanskrit and read the english as I go along. > > > > I spent most of the afternoon reading the Devi > > Mahatmyam! Wonderful story! I always get > overwhelmed > > reading scriptures, half expecting to run into > > something as confusing as the Bible, but really > this > > is a powerful story, with a lot of incredibly > moving > > praise of Devi and beautiful images of Kali > springing > > forth from Devi's forehead, ect. Anyone can read > this > > scripture! > > > > Now the question, is there a printed edition with > a > > particularly good translation/commentary that > anyone > > would recomend? > > > > Jai Ma!! > > > > Brianna > > > > --- Erica <sugarandbrine> wrote: > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > > > The Devi Mahatmyam is very beautiful! I believe, > > > also, that Krishna > > > Das has made a recording of this (at least in > part). > > > > > > See this link: > > > > > > > > > http://www.krishnadas.com/pilgrim/docs/pilgrim10.html > > > > > > If you've never explored his kirtan CDs, please > do! > > > His love and > > > devotion come flowing through the speakers and > > > flutter directly to > > > your heart. Such a gift! > > > > > > With love, > > > Niseema > > > > > > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" > > > <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > > > > > That chant is from the Devi Mahatmyam (aka > Chandi, > > > also aka Durga > > > > Saptasati). > > > > > > > > Here is a link that has the chant (may not be > > > complete, but seems > > > to > > > > be pretty much so). > > > > > > > > http://www.eaisai.com/baba/docs/sldevi.html. > (got > > > from searching > > > the > > > > Internet - Google!) > > > > > > > > In this link, page down to where it says "Devi > > > Stuthi". > > > > > > > > The Durga devi chants are awesome! > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > time. > > http://taxes./filing.html > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! Dear Brianna, Nice to see your reply, there is no harm in doing sadhana, but reading scriptures ourselves yes, it will do more harm for us than doing good. You can definitely ask Ammachi about this, she is the best source to guide you. "If we are ready for the scriptural study, The GURU appears before you, (this is from my personal experience). Amma send a saint well versed in scriptures to me, daily morning and evening I am getting satsang(through telephone) by GOD's grace. Because in 2002 When I met Amma at Michigan I asked a question like "When did the Maya Start" She answerd to me that "There is no beginning for Maya, but there is definitely an end to it" I again asked Amma, like but when did maya exactly started, Her face changed and she has given an unusual look towards me, which I never expected, and she said, "You just sit aside for now".(I got the subtle meaning of that, you will get an opportunity to study and you come back to me!) And after the Darshan I asked Swami Ramakrishnananda, he explained little bit, with in an year I got Ramakirshananda's teacher, teaching me,(of course through telephone) is it not Amma's blessings. I am sure it is. And he was with me for a week (2 weeks back) here at West Virginia. Swamiji was with Amma for 11 years, and he studied in Sandeepany Sadhanalaya, Powai, Bombay(Swami Chinmayanadaji's disciple)and he was in Himalayas for about 5 years, and at Kashi for about 5 years or so, Morning he is taking Vivek Choodamani, evening Bhagwad Geetha. "So when the right time, the Acharya appears infront of you". so do not bother about studying scriptures ourselves, this is only my humble opinion. With Love & OM! OM Nama Shivaya! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! Krishna Prasad Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Namah Shivayah! > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The ones > I have been studying regularly for several years are > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations and > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary study > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I have > not studied any of these under the guidance of a Sat > Guru. Only Sat Guru I know personally is Amma, > although I swear one time I met the Buddha on a > bus.... > > I do pray for Her grace before studying these texts. > But you know, as I was raised Hindu, I grew up reading > Amar Chitra Katha (in childhood). In adolescence I > focused more on reading about the lives of various > saints and yogis, and began my practice of hatha yoga, > which led me to begin to delve into the above > mentioned sacred writings. Now that I am a teacher, I > feel a responsibility towards continuous study and > contemplation, I do consider it part of my sadhana. > > I know that I am not always grasping the full meaning > of what I'm reading, but a lot of what I didn't get > eight years ago, I get now. I've chosen to focus only > on these particular texts because of their relevence > to my line of work, and to my personal practice. > > I let Devi Mahatmyam sort of wash over me, I realize > that there is a lot in there that I don't understand. > I was just looking for Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu, which I'd > heard in San Ramon as a beautiful and stirring song in > praise of Her. I don't yet have plans to add the Devi > Mahatmyam to my list of scriptures to study in depth. > Maybe someday, but like you said, they are packed with > subtle meanings and I wouldn't tackle it without > proper guidance. But is there danger of inflating the > ego in just reading it? In that case, what danger am I > in from my studies of Bhagavad Gita, Yoga Sutras and > Hatha Yoga Pradipika? Please explain! Do you think > it's better to just do the practice and let the work > just work for itself, or should one supplement our > practice with scriptural study? And should that study > be only under the guidance of a Satguru? Should I ask > Amma about the studies I have been doing? > > Sending love and hugs, > > Jai Ma!! > Brianna > > > > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > > Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! > > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > Reading scriptures or any Vedanta books, other than > > great experiences > > with the Guru, can confuse us, if it is not followed > > by a guidance by > > a Sat Guru or a good scriptural teacher. > > > > Actually reading scriptures ourselves, will make lot > > of confusion in > > our mind. instead we can at least do two hours > > Sadhana, daily morning > > one hour, and evening one hour we can chant and > > meditate, it is more > > useful for our Sadhana. > > > > You know the after effects of the Religious study > > taking the literal > > meaning and going against the world in the name of > > Jihad! So proper > > studies of scriptures are necessary, otherwise we > > will endup in > > confusion and other psychic problems. > > > > Scriptures like, Bhagawatham, Devi Mahatmayam, Siva > > puranam, contains > > subtle meanings packed in it, only a learned Guru > > can explore it and > > make us understand. Otherwise we will totally > > misunderstand, and > > reading the Vedanta texts ourselves confuses us and > > makes our EGO in > > superlative degree. > > > > We may say that OUR Guru never learned scriptures, > > the simple answer > > for that is We are not our GURU! > > > > With Love & OM! > > > > OM Amriteswariye Namaha! > > OM Nama Shivaya > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller > > <rubyrapunzel> > > wrote: > > > Thank you, both of you. I did find the Devi > > Mahatmyam, > > > and the Ya Devi Sarvabuteshu thing in it. I wish I > > > could find one with the english and sanskrit > > > transliteration together, instead of in seperate > > > documents. Maybe I'll make one, so I can chant it > > in > > > sanskrit and read the english as I go along. > > > > > > I spent most of the afternoon reading the Devi > > > Mahatmyam! Wonderful story! I always get > > overwhelmed > > > reading scriptures, half expecting to run into > > > something as confusing as the Bible, but really > > this > > > is a powerful story, with a lot of incredibly > > moving > > > praise of Devi and beautiful images of Kali > > springing > > > forth from Devi's forehead, ect. Anyone can read > > this > > > scripture! > > > > > > Now the question, is there a printed edition with > > a > > > particularly good translation/commentary that > > anyone > > > would recomend? > > > > > > Jai Ma!! > > > > > > Brianna > > > > > > --- Erica <sugarandbrine> wrote: > > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > > > > > The Devi Mahatmyam is very beautiful! I believe, > > > > also, that Krishna > > > > Das has made a recording of this (at least in > > part). > > > > > > > > See this link: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.krishnadas.com/pilgrim/docs/pilgrim10.html > > > > > > > > If you've never explored his kirtan CDs, please > > do! > > > > His love and > > > > devotion come flowing through the speakers and > > > > flutter directly to > > > > your heart. Such a gift! > > > > > > > > With love, > > > > Niseema > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" > > > > <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Brianna, > > > > > > > > > > That chant is from the Devi Mahatmyam (aka > > Chandi, > > > > also aka Durga > > > > > Saptasati). > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link that has the chant (may not be > > > > complete, but seems > > > > to > > > > > be pretty much so). > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eaisai.com/baba/docs/sldevi.html. > > (got > > > > from searching > > > > the > > > > > Internet - Google!) > > > > > > > > > > In this link, page down to where it says "Devi > > > > Stuthi". > > > > > > > > > > The Durga devi chants are awesome! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on > > time. > > > http://taxes./filing.html > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. 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Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 My 2c. All the texts that you mentioned(to this list I will add Gheranda Samhita, Siva Sutra and the Devi Gita for yoga) below have a lot of subtlety(95%+) but still they must be read and understood to the extent possible. To facilitate the understanding, there are discourses on these written by Mahatmas. There may be misunderstandings here and there but surely they cannot be more harmful than watching TV or browsing the web. The beauty of texts such as Puranas are that they can be undertood on some many different levels and are meant for self-study(at least initially) to prepare for hardcore Vedanta. So what you are doing is absolutely right IMHO; of course there is only so much you can go with books. Amma herself says so in a posting by someone else. -yogaman Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Namah Shivayah! > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The ones > I have been studying regularly for several years are > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations and > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary study > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I have > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hari OM! OM Armiteswariye Namaha! Dear Yogaman, What do you mean by Hardcore Vedanta, there is only Vedanta, there is no softcore and Hardcore, Yogaman. The level of understanding might differ, but there is only Vedanta. Any scriptural text should not be read by ourselves, without the guidance of a qualified teacher either a "Stotriya" or "Brahmanistha" Why Saints advised not to read scriptures ourselves is "It can create hallucinations, and illusions in our mind, we always add some part of our ego to whatever we read and mixup". But under the guidance of a teacher the above is eliminated, teacher guides us properly, to understand the meaning. Please do not compare watching TV and Internet browsing to Study of Vedanta, this is not a time pass business, this is something we should take it seriously, TV& internet is in "Vyavaharika" level. it is all objective science. But Vedanta is subjective, We should be 100% committed!, otherwise it is not wise! Our scriptures are called "Sruthi", it is listened only, the scriptures are listened by our Rishis, there was no books in olden periods, and even the slokas were studied through chanting only, there is no written business.(and patent and copyright!),( I am sure one day somebody will come and say that (Vedanta is ours) and try to patent, like Vikram Yoga people want to patent Yoga, and US Supremecourt judge said, it is Patanajali Maharishi's (which he is not patent it) not Virkam Yoga's hahaha (Rishis never patenet anything because they are not selfish the do not even want their names known that is why collectively we call this Mahatmas as Rishis) With Love & OM! Om Nama Shivaya! Om Amriteswariye Namaha! Krishna Prasad Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > My 2c. > > All the texts that you mentioned(to this list I will add Gheranda > Samhita, Siva Sutra and the Devi Gita for yoga) below have a lot of > subtlety(95%+) but still they must be read and understood to the > extent possible. To facilitate the understanding, there are > discourses on these written by Mahatmas. There may be > misunderstandings here and there but surely they cannot be more > harmful than watching TV or browsing the web. The beauty of texts > such as Puranas are that they can be undertood on some many different > levels and are meant for self-study(at least initially) to prepare > for hardcore Vedanta. > > So what you are doing is absolutely right IMHO; of course there is > only so much you can go with books. Amma herself says so in a posting > by someone else. > > -yogaman > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> > wrote: > > Namah Shivayah! > > > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The ones > > I have been studying regularly for several years are > > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations and > > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary study > > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I have > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Om Namah Shivayah, Krishna Prasad, Yogaman, and all. I am feeling confused again. Think maybe I sould ask Amma for advice on how to properly study the scriptures I have chosen to study. KP, I feel conflicted about your advice because I feel it is wrong to teach yoga without having studied Yoga Sutras of Patanjali at LEAST. A Yoga teacher should be able to discuss Yama Niyama, Pranayama, Asana, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi with students. Otherwise, we are only teaching pilates Otherwise, we are putting students through practices designed to work on many levels and letting them believe they are doing it for cute bottoms and nice biceps. This is not the yoga I want to teach. I teach eight limbs, and study of Yoga Sutras is absolutely necessary. As for good commentary, I have read commentary on each of these. I don't know if it was good commentary. I have Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita, and Desikachar's study on the Yoga Sutras, among others. A lot of what I study was gone through in my teacher training in depth. I haven't even touched Upanishads, Ramayana, Devi Gita and so many others. I once went to a discourse on Ishopanishad given by a woman who was considered to be an authority on Vedanta, but her personal advice to me was to continue reading Bagavad Gita because all that I would ever need to know was in there! That's probably true.... And what about the other post with Amma's words about sciptural study? Are these words intended for householders or renunciates? If Mother advises us to include scriptural study, shouldn't we? I understand what you mean about having someone to guide your study and how valuable it would be to be able to ask questions all the time, ect. But is first priority to find a good teacher? Or to begin to work with what we have? Is the commentary of other qualified teachers enough? When people tell me they have "started to do yoga" (i.e. using a book or a video), my first response is always, "That's great. Find a good teacher and use the book or video to supplement your study later when you are strong enough to practice at home." Maybe the same should be considered for scriptural study. I don't know. I'm confused. love and pranams, Brianna --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote: > Hari OM! OM Armiteswariye Namaha! > > Dear Yogaman, > > What do you mean by Hardcore Vedanta, there is only > Vedanta, there is > no softcore and Hardcore, Yogaman. The level of > understanding might > differ, but there is only Vedanta. > > Any scriptural text should not be read by ourselves, > without the > guidance of a qualified teacher either a "Stotriya" > or "Brahmanistha" > > > Why Saints advised not to read scriptures ourselves > is "It can create > hallucinations, and illusions in our mind, we always > add some part of > our ego to whatever we read and mixup". But under > the guidance of a > teacher the above is eliminated, teacher guides us > properly, to > understand the meaning. > > Please do not compare watching TV and Internet > browsing to Study of > Vedanta, this is not a time pass business, this is > something we > should take it seriously, TV& internet is in > "Vyavaharika" level. it > is all objective science. But Vedanta is subjective, > We should be > 100% committed!, otherwise it is not wise! > > Our scriptures are called "Sruthi", it is listened > only, the > scriptures are listened by our Rishis, there was no > books in olden > periods, and even the slokas were studied through > chanting only, > there is no written business.(and patent and > copyright!),( > > I am sure one day somebody will come and say that > (Vedanta is ours) > and try to patent, like Vikram Yoga people want to > patent Yoga, and > US Supremecourt judge said, it is Patanajali > Maharishi's (which he is > not patent it) not Virkam Yoga's hahaha > > (Rishis never patenet anything because they are not > selfish the do > not even want their names known that is why > collectively we call this > Mahatmas as Rishis) > > With Love & OM! > > Om Nama Shivaya! > Om Amriteswariye Namaha! > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > <childofdevi> > wrote: > > My 2c. > > > > All the texts that you mentioned(to this list I > will add Gheranda > > Samhita, Siva Sutra and the Devi Gita for yoga) > below have a lot of > > subtlety(95%+) but still they must be read and > understood to the > > extent possible. To facilitate the understanding, > there are > > discourses on these written by Mahatmas. There may > be > > misunderstandings here and there but surely they > cannot be more > > harmful than watching TV or browsing the web. The > beauty of texts > > such as Puranas are that they can be undertood on > some many > different > > levels and are meant for self-study(at least > initially) to prepare > > for hardcore Vedanta. > > > > So what you are doing is absolutely right IMHO; of > course there is > > only so much you can go with books. Amma herself > says so in a > posting > > by someone else. > > > > -yogaman > > > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller > <rubyrapunzel> > > wrote: > > > Namah Shivayah! > > > > > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The > ones > > > I have been studying regularly for several years > are > > > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations > and > > > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary > study > > > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > > > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I > have > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! Dear Brianna, The best thing to do is ask Ammachi, she only can guide us, whatever she suggests please follow, if She says to continue reading please do that, Mother knows what is good for each and everyone of us, because She is the Universal Mother. Om Nama Shivaya! Om Amriteswariye Namaha! Krishna Prasad Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Om Namah Shivayah, > > Krishna Prasad, Yogaman, and all. I am feeling > confused again. Think maybe I sould ask Amma for > advice on how to properly study the scriptures I have > chosen to study. KP, I feel conflicted about your > advice because I feel it is wrong to teach yoga > without having studied Yoga Sutras of Patanjali at > LEAST. A Yoga teacher should be able to discuss Yama > Niyama, Pranayama, Asana, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana > and Samadhi with students. Otherwise, we are only > teaching pilates Otherwise, we are putting students > through practices designed to work on many levels and > letting them believe they are doing it for cute > bottoms and nice biceps. This is not the yoga I want > to teach. I teach eight limbs, and study of Yoga > Sutras is absolutely necessary. > > As for good commentary, I have read commentary on each > of these. I don't know if it was good commentary. I > have Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita, and Desikachar's study > on the Yoga Sutras, among others. A lot of what I > study was gone through in my teacher training in > depth. I haven't even touched Upanishads, Ramayana, > Devi Gita and so many others. I once went to a > discourse on Ishopanishad given by a woman who was > considered to be an authority on Vedanta, but her > personal advice to me was to continue reading Bagavad > Gita because all that I would ever need to know was in > there! That's probably true.... > > And what about the other post with Amma's words about > sciptural study? Are these words intended for > householders or renunciates? If Mother advises us to > include scriptural study, shouldn't we? > > I understand what you mean about having someone to > guide your study and how valuable it would be to be > able to ask questions all the time, ect. But is first > priority to find a good teacher? Or to begin to work > with what we have? Is the commentary of other > qualified teachers enough? When people tell me they > have "started to do yoga" (i.e. using a book or a > video), my first response is always, "That's great. > Find a good teacher and use the book or video to > supplement your study later when you are strong enough > to practice at home." Maybe the same should be > considered for scriptural study. I don't know. I'm > confused. > > love and pranams, > > Brianna > > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > > Hari OM! OM Armiteswariye Namaha! > > > > Dear Yogaman, > > > > What do you mean by Hardcore Vedanta, there is only > > Vedanta, there is > > no softcore and Hardcore, Yogaman. The level of > > understanding might > > differ, but there is only Vedanta. > > > > Any scriptural text should not be read by ourselves, > > without the > > guidance of a qualified teacher either a "Stotriya" > > or "Brahmanistha" > > > > > > Why Saints advised not to read scriptures ourselves > > is "It can create > > hallucinations, and illusions in our mind, we always > > add some part of > > our ego to whatever we read and mixup". But under > > the guidance of a > > teacher the above is eliminated, teacher guides us > > properly, to > > understand the meaning. > > > > Please do not compare watching TV and Internet > > browsing to Study of > > Vedanta, this is not a time pass business, this is > > something we > > should take it seriously, TV& internet is in > > "Vyavaharika" level. it > > is all objective science. But Vedanta is subjective, > > We should be > > 100% committed!, otherwise it is not wise! > > > > Our scriptures are called "Sruthi", it is listened > > only, the > > scriptures are listened by our Rishis, there was no > > books in olden > > periods, and even the slokas were studied through > > chanting only, > > there is no written business.(and patent and > > copyright!),( > > > > I am sure one day somebody will come and say that > > (Vedanta is ours) > > and try to patent, like Vikram Yoga people want to > > patent Yoga, and > > US Supremecourt judge said, it is Patanajali > > Maharishi's (which he is > > not patent it) not Virkam Yoga's hahaha > > > > (Rishis never patenet anything because they are not > > selfish the do > > not even want their names known that is why > > collectively we call this > > Mahatmas as Rishis) > > > > With Love & OM! > > > > Om Nama Shivaya! > > Om Amriteswariye Namaha! > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > > <childofdevi> > > wrote: > > > My 2c. > > > > > > All the texts that you mentioned(to this list I > > will add Gheranda > > > Samhita, Siva Sutra and the Devi Gita for yoga) > > below have a lot of > > > subtlety(95%+) but still they must be read and > > understood to the > > > extent possible. To facilitate the understanding, > > there are > > > discourses on these written by Mahatmas. There may > > be > > > misunderstandings here and there but surely they > > cannot be more > > > harmful than watching TV or browsing the web. The > > beauty of texts > > > such as Puranas are that they can be undertood on > > some many > > different > > > levels and are meant for self-study(at least > > initially) to prepare > > > for hardcore Vedanta. > > > > > > So what you are doing is absolutely right IMHO; of > > course there is > > > only so much you can go with books. Amma herself > > says so in a > > posting > > > by someone else. > > > > > > -yogaman > > > > > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller > > <rubyrapunzel> > > > wrote: > > > > Namah Shivayah! > > > > > > > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The > > ones > > > > I have been studying regularly for several years > > are > > > > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations > > and > > > > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary > > study > > > > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > > > > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha! Dear Brianna, The best thing to do is ask Ammachi, she only can guide us, whatever she suggests please follow, if She says to continue reading please do that, Mother knows what is good for each and everyone of us, because She is the Universal Mother. Om Nama Shivaya! Om Amriteswariye Namaha! Krishna Prasad Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Om Namah Shivayah, > > Krishna Prasad, Yogaman, and all. I am feeling > confused again. Think maybe I sould ask Amma for > advice on how to properly study the scriptures I have > chosen to study. KP, I feel conflicted about your > advice because I feel it is wrong to teach yoga > without having studied Yoga Sutras of Patanjali at > LEAST. A Yoga teacher should be able to discuss Yama > Niyama, Pranayama, Asana, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana > and Samadhi with students. Otherwise, we are only > teaching pilates Otherwise, we are putting students > through practices designed to work on many levels and > letting them believe they are doing it for cute > bottoms and nice biceps. This is not the yoga I want > to teach. I teach eight limbs, and study of Yoga > Sutras is absolutely necessary. > > As for good commentary, I have read commentary on each > of these. I don't know if it was good commentary. I > have Yogananda's Bhagavad Gita, and Desikachar's study > on the Yoga Sutras, among others. A lot of what I > study was gone through in my teacher training in > depth. I haven't even touched Upanishads, Ramayana, > Devi Gita and so many others. I once went to a > discourse on Ishopanishad given by a woman who was > considered to be an authority on Vedanta, but her > personal advice to me was to continue reading Bagavad > Gita because all that I would ever need to know was in > there! That's probably true.... > > And what about the other post with Amma's words about > sciptural study? Are these words intended for > householders or renunciates? If Mother advises us to > include scriptural study, shouldn't we? > > I understand what you mean about having someone to > guide your study and how valuable it would be to be > able to ask questions all the time, ect. But is first > priority to find a good teacher? Or to begin to work > with what we have? Is the commentary of other > qualified teachers enough? When people tell me they > have "started to do yoga" (i.e. using a book or a > video), my first response is always, "That's great. > Find a good teacher and use the book or video to > supplement your study later when you are strong enough > to practice at home." Maybe the same should be > considered for scriptural study. I don't know. I'm > confused. > > love and pranams, > > Brianna > > > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote: > > Hari OM! OM Armiteswariye Namaha! > > > > Dear Yogaman, > > > > What do you mean by Hardcore Vedanta, there is only > > Vedanta, there is > > no softcore and Hardcore, Yogaman. The level of > > understanding might > > differ, but there is only Vedanta. > > > > Any scriptural text should not be read by ourselves, > > without the > > guidance of a qualified teacher either a "Stotriya" > > or "Brahmanistha" > > > > > > Why Saints advised not to read scriptures ourselves > > is "It can create > > hallucinations, and illusions in our mind, we always > > add some part of > > our ego to whatever we read and mixup". But under > > the guidance of a > > teacher the above is eliminated, teacher guides us > > properly, to > > understand the meaning. > > > > Please do not compare watching TV and Internet > > browsing to Study of > > Vedanta, this is not a time pass business, this is > > something we > > should take it seriously, TV& internet is in > > "Vyavaharika" level. it > > is all objective science. But Vedanta is subjective, > > We should be > > 100% committed!, otherwise it is not wise! > > > > Our scriptures are called "Sruthi", it is listened > > only, the > > scriptures are listened by our Rishis, there was no > > books in olden > > periods, and even the slokas were studied through > > chanting only, > > there is no written business.(and patent and > > copyright!),( > > > > I am sure one day somebody will come and say that > > (Vedanta is ours) > > and try to patent, like Vikram Yoga people want to > > patent Yoga, and > > US Supremecourt judge said, it is Patanajali > > Maharishi's (which he is > > not patent it) not Virkam Yoga's hahaha > > > > (Rishis never patenet anything because they are not > > selfish the do > > not even want their names known that is why > > collectively we call this > > Mahatmas as Rishis) > > > > With Love & OM! > > > > Om Nama Shivaya! > > Om Amriteswariye Namaha! > > > > Krishna Prasad > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > > <childofdevi> > > wrote: > > > My 2c. > > > > > > All the texts that you mentioned(to this list I > > will add Gheranda > > > Samhita, Siva Sutra and the Devi Gita for yoga) > > below have a lot of > > > subtlety(95%+) but still they must be read and > > understood to the > > > extent possible. To facilitate the understanding, > > there are > > > discourses on these written by Mahatmas. There may > > be > > > misunderstandings here and there but surely they > > cannot be more > > > harmful than watching TV or browsing the web. The > > beauty of texts > > > such as Puranas are that they can be undertood on > > some many > > different > > > levels and are meant for self-study(at least > > initially) to prepare > > > for hardcore Vedanta. > > > > > > So what you are doing is absolutely right IMHO; of > > course there is > > > only so much you can go with books. Amma herself > > says so in a > > posting > > > by someone else. > > > > > > -yogaman > > > > > > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller > > <rubyrapunzel> > > > wrote: > > > > Namah Shivayah! > > > > > > > > I'm confused, should I not study scriptures? The > > ones > > > > I have been studying regularly for several years > > are > > > > Bhagavad Gita (several differant translations > > and > > > > commentary), Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (necessary > > study > > > > for those in my line of work;) and Hatha Yoga > > > > Pradipika (also necessary "). However, I > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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