Spiritual Outsourcing All converting religions are Dangerous

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KP! Thank you for this. What strikes me is the

inherant contrast between the hindu and christian

mindset. If you go to a hindu and say, "Let me teach

you about my religion," s/he will most likely say

"Sure, tell me about it," because hinduism encourages

inquiry and does not say that any path is wrong.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that those who

don't follow the eternal religion will perish, and

those who do will be rewarded.

 

The christian mentality is to do good to avoid God's

wrath and escape hell, and to earn a place in

paradise. The hindu is under no threat of hell other

than the cycle of birth and death. Every action has a

karmic affect on the universe and all life contained

within it, so we strive to do good for the world,

knowing that it is to our own benefit as well.

 

Conversion is contrary to hinduism, because it's not

an "organized religion." You can chose to live

according to it's wisdom, or you can chose a differant

path. All paths lead to yoga. Some are longer than

others.

 

It is absolutly an act of violence to attack another's

spiritual beliefs, and to criticise someone's cultural

heritage. It is not only an act of violence on the

individual, but on the future of that culture as a

whole. The egyptians, greeks, western europeans and

native americans are great examples of cultures who

were either partially or completely wiped out by the

hand of organized religion. The east is indeed in

danger, right now, of the same fate. Large areas of

Asia and Indonesia are already converted

 

While it is true that at their heart, all of the

world's major religions are in harmony, it is the

hindu, the buddhist, the jain, the taoist, the

tantric, who is proclaiming this truth, not those from

the "oraganized religions," who each believe theirs is

the only way. It's a difficult predicament because the

eastern way of thinking (receptive,

compassionate)makes him more susceptible to the

western way of thinking ("My way," right/wrong).

 

Children should be taught about their cultural

heritage with pride and reverance. I love that Amma

has made such a priority of gurukula style education.

 

So, yes there is a problem. What do we do? Clearly we

must speak to those who are targeted for conversion.

Any ideas?

 

hugs and pranams,

 

Brianna

 

--- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99 wrote:

> Hari OM! OM Amirteswariye Namaha!

>

> Blessed all,

>

> Spiritual Outsourcing could be another way of

> spreading religion, or

> conversion.

>

> Please read What Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha

> Vidya Gurukulam

> have to say about it.

>

> Q: You have come out strongly against the Pope's

> statements on the

> anti-forcible conversions laws. You have also been a

> campaigner

> against conversions, terming it as violence. Can you

> elaborate?

>

> Ans: Okay. What is violence? When you

> physically hurt me it

> is violence. When you do anything that can instigate

> physical

> violence, that is an act of violence, too. And if

> you can hurt me

> emotionally it is also violence. If you can hurt me

> spiritually that

> is the worst violence, rank violence. All these are

> there in

> conversion because it leads to physical violence.

> When you convert

> somebody you have to criticise the person's

> religion, his worship,

> his culture; all these hurt. Even when he changes it

> hurts. How will

> he change? He has to disown his parents, and their

> wisdom and their

> culture, his ancestors, and entire community; you

> are isolating him,

> uprooting him and all the uprooted people are

> emotionally unsettled.

>

> For instance, Blacks in America are uprooted

> people. Even

> after generations they are not emotionally settled.

> It will never

> help the persons who are uprooted from their

> culture. So it is great

> violence against culture, tradition etc.

>

> Q: Is the religious person, then, the core

> person?

>

> Ans: Yes, we find some people die for their

> religion because

> in their scripture it is told that if your religion

> is in danger then

> you will have to sacrifice your life so that you

> will also have a

> better place in paradise. The fellow begins to

> believe that and he is

> ready to give up his life. This is indoctrination.

> So, for their

> religion's sake, they have double standards. One who

> does not believe

> in their religion is anti-god as if God has given

> only their religion

> to follow. If he does not follow that he is an enemy

> to God, an

> infidel and deserves to be killed. Though God any

> way is going to

> destroy him, but if you destroy him, God will be

> pleased that you

> have proved your faith. This is the double standard.

> The values are

> not common. For followers one set of values, for

> non-followers

> another set of values. Killing gets a sanction. That

> is why these are

> all dangerous religions. And I say all converting

> religions are

> dangerous. They have created problems. It is like

> somebody wanting

> freedom to destroy me. If I do not give this

> freedom, I become a

> fundamentalist. But if I give them the freedom to

> destroy me, then I

> am a liberal, my religion a free religion. That's

> it. Now this very

> concept of freedom itself has to be questioned,

> examined and told to

> the people.

>

> Q: And to the Pope?

>

> Ans: Not only Pope. Pope told this because

> they have got away

> with it for 2,000 years in the name of freedom of

> Religion. They have

> wiped out continents, cultures in various

> continents, religions in

> countries ... where are those religions and cultures

> that built those

> pyramids? Show me one fellow now as a sample. Greek

> and Roman

> monuments are there, but where are the religions? In

> Europe they

> completely wiped out all the indigenous religions.

> In North America

> and South America they have finished off all the

> native cultures.

> Even in Africa it is almost finished.

>

> So now in Asia they are planting their

> religion. They want to

> be successful, between these two people they want to

> destroy all

> cultures in this world. So therefore, I say enough

> is enough. I don't

> want to ask them to give up their (the converts)

> religions now.

>

> But their concepts, their beliefs are not

> acceptable to me. I

> give them the freedom to follow what they follow.

> But I want them to

> leave me free to follow what I believe! They cannot

> say evangelising

> is not against other religions. It is against other

> religions;

> Conversions are against other religions. We don't

> believe in

> conversion itself. We do not accept that, we do not

> do that.

>

> Q: Then how do you deal with this problem

> when it is so

> basic? What are the practical ways?

>

> Ans: The theologians have to change. But

> they will not. That

> is because they have enough in-built programming.

> What we call

> indoctrination. There is no use even to make an

> attempt. But we

> should keep talking about that to them. But there is

> one thing with

> them. They just wait for a time when there is more

> freedom for them

> to do. So let that time be kept away. That conducive

> time for them to

> convert be kept away. The people have to be made

> aware and proud of

> their religion and that would take care of that in

> course of time.

> They should be able to say enough is enough.

>

> Q: But there is the lure of money and

> incentives and other

> benefits that the naive fall for...

>

> Ans: It is not really the money that buys.

> What do they do?

> Small things, and then they try to tempt them. That

> gives the thumb

> space. They begin to enter the heart. Then they tell

> the most

> unkindly cut. When the missionary tells that the

> fellow's daily pooja

> is wrong, that his altar of prayer is not the altar,

> he has to alter

> that. That is the unkindest cut you can get. It is a

> stab in the

> heart, where this fellow innocently gives some space

> for the

> missionary to enter. That very place becomes a place

> for attack. He

> attacks at the heart of the person, his religious

> core. And therefore

> the missionaries are the most violent people in the

> world. They have

> committed violence and nobody has committed violence

> as they have

> done. They continue to do that. But people do not

> realise this. They

> do seemingly good things in order to commit this

> violence.

>

> Q: What is the effect of missionary activity

> on national

> security?

>

> Ans: Look at the Northeast. I wonder if I

> can go and talk

> there, in my own country. They ask if I am from

> India! This is what

> the missionaries have done. Those people are made to

> feel they are

> non-Indians. It is very unfortunate. It is a major

> problem for

> national integrity. And not good for our tradition.

> In fact, Hindu

> religion has to be saved for the sake of humanity

> because the

> Christians don't believe the Muslims will go to

> heaven, the Muslims

> don't believe the Christians will go anywhere. They

> both are fighting

> each other in trying to reach heaven or paradise.

> And both believe

> that the other is not going there, so they will

> fight forever. The

> only person who says paradise is not up there but

> here is the Hindu.

> Hindu is the only one who makes sense. He has also

> got a methodology

> to teach, it is not just a belief. Only they are

> working on belief.

> We are working on wisdom. There it is just beliefs,

> many of which

> cannot be proved and several of which are wrong and

> foolish. See, a

> belief is above reason. When you say there is heaven

> it is above

> reason. You can believe that. You survive death then

> you will go to

> heaven, which is also a belief. But when you say

> that you will

> survive death, but you will go to heaven or hell,

> then it is

> difficult to believe. And another thing they say is

> God is formless.

> But he needs a location. You cannot define

> foolishness in a better

> way. When you believe against all the evidence then

> it is called

> foolishness.

>

> Q: The inequalities that have cropped up in

> Hinduism are used

> as handle against?

>

> Ans: Even they have their own inequalities.

> They have their

> own problems that are endless. But that doesn't give

> us a sanction

> for us to have problems. We should try and solve

> them. But still all

> these are our problems. Brothers are fighting each

> other over a

> property and if a third fellow comes and says, since

> you two are

> fighting let me occupy the property, that cannot be

> allowed. You

> remain an encroacher. You can help us, but you

> cannot become a

> beneficiary of our fight. Therefore we should

> resolve our own fights.

> You have no business interfering in our house and I

> would not intrude

> in yours.

>

> Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are

> converted from

> Hinduism, without themselves knowing what they are

> getting into. But

> once converted they are told that their brethren and

> forefathers are

> devil worshippers! This is what I say is dangerous.

> As Indians they

> have a right to know the religions, the people and

> their culture and

> forms etc. If they know there will be no problems.

> But they are

> purposely kept away. The clergy is responsible for

> that, Islamic and

> Christian clergy are responsible for that.

>

> Q: But if they want to know or even

> reconvert, will the

> Hindu 'clergy' allow that...

>

> Ans: In India, there is no clergy. Here all

> are Hindus until

> they call themselves different because when I allow

> every form of

> worship then where is the problem? We deem you

> another Hindu, only

> you are saying I am this and that. There is no

> re-conversion. There

> is a prodigality and they come back. like a prodigal

> son. We do not

> even need to baptise. We have to ask him to give up

> beef that is all.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

> OM Nama Shivaya

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

>

>

>

> Ammachi, "Aikya Param"

> <aikya> wrote:

> > For an article on spiritual outsourcing to

> Catholic dioceses in

> > Kerala, see

> http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/apr/30spec.htm

> >

> > Considering that there are 450 Hindu temples in

> the US, perhaps the

> > services of saranam.com could be considered Hindu

> outsourcing. How

> > much of the US$39 does the pujari in India

> receive?

> >

> > I hope Amma's pujaris are recompensed in an amount

> comparable to

> the

> > puja fees.

> >

> > Aikya

>

>

 

 

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