Spiritual Outsourcing All converting religions are Dangerous

[Guest guest]

Hari OM! OM Amirteswariye Namaha!

 

Blessed all,

 

Spiritual Outsourcing could be another way of spreading religion, or

conversion.

 

Please read What Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam

have to say about it.

 

Q: You have come out strongly against the Pope's statements on the

anti-forcible conversions laws. You have also been a campaigner

against conversions, terming it as violence. Can you elaborate?

 

Ans: Okay. What is violence? When you physically hurt me it

is violence. When you do anything that can instigate physical

violence, that is an act of violence, too. And if you can hurt me

emotionally it is also violence. If you can hurt me spiritually that

is the worst violence, rank violence. All these are there in

conversion because it leads to physical violence. When you convert

somebody you have to criticise the person's religion, his worship,

his culture; all these hurt. Even when he changes it hurts. How will

he change? He has to disown his parents, and their wisdom and their

culture, his ancestors, and entire community; you are isolating him,

uprooting him and all the uprooted people are emotionally unsettled.

 

For instance, Blacks in America are uprooted people. Even

after generations they are not emotionally settled. It will never

help the persons who are uprooted from their culture. So it is great

violence against culture, tradition etc.

 

Q: Is the religious person, then, the core person?

 

Ans: Yes, we find some people die for their religion because

in their scripture it is told that if your religion is in danger then

you will have to sacrifice your life so that you will also have a

better place in paradise. The fellow begins to believe that and he is

ready to give up his life. This is indoctrination. So, for their

religion's sake, they have double standards. One who does not believe

in their religion is anti-god as if God has given only their religion

to follow. If he does not follow that he is an enemy to God, an

infidel and deserves to be killed. Though God any way is going to

destroy him, but if you destroy him, God will be pleased that you

have proved your faith. This is the double standard. The values are

not common. For followers one set of values, for non-followers

another set of values. Killing gets a sanction. That is why these are

all dangerous religions. And I say all converting religions are

dangerous. They have created problems. It is like somebody wanting

freedom to destroy me. If I do not give this freedom, I become a

fundamentalist. But if I give them the freedom to destroy me, then I

am a liberal, my religion a free religion. That's it. Now this very

concept of freedom itself has to be questioned, examined and told to

the people.

 

Q: And to the Pope?

 

Ans: Not only Pope. Pope told this because they have got away

with it for 2,000 years in the name of freedom of Religion. They have

wiped out continents, cultures in various continents, religions in

countries ... where are those religions and cultures that built those

pyramids? Show me one fellow now as a sample. Greek and Roman

monuments are there, but where are the religions? In Europe they

completely wiped out all the indigenous religions. In North America

and South America they have finished off all the native cultures.

Even in Africa it is almost finished.

 

So now in Asia they are planting their religion. They want to

be successful, between these two people they want to destroy all

cultures in this world. So therefore, I say enough is enough. I don't

want to ask them to give up their (the converts) religions now.

 

But their concepts, their beliefs are not acceptable to me. I

give them the freedom to follow what they follow. But I want them to

leave me free to follow what I believe! They cannot say evangelising

is not against other religions. It is against other religions;

Conversions are against other religions. We don't believe in

conversion itself. We do not accept that, we do not do that.

 

Q: Then how do you deal with this problem when it is so

basic? What are the practical ways?

 

Ans: The theologians have to change. But they will not. That

is because they have enough in-built programming. What we call

indoctrination. There is no use even to make an attempt. But we

should keep talking about that to them. But there is one thing with

them. They just wait for a time when there is more freedom for them

to do. So let that time be kept away. That conducive time for them to

convert be kept away. The people have to be made aware and proud of

their religion and that would take care of that in course of time.

They should be able to say enough is enough.

 

Q: But there is the lure of money and incentives and other

benefits that the naive fall for...

 

Ans: It is not really the money that buys. What do they do?

Small things, and then they try to tempt them. That gives the thumb

space. They begin to enter the heart. Then they tell the most

unkindly cut. When the missionary tells that the fellow's daily pooja

is wrong, that his altar of prayer is not the altar, he has to alter

that. That is the unkindest cut you can get. It is a stab in the

heart, where this fellow innocently gives some space for the

missionary to enter. That very place becomes a place for attack. He

attacks at the heart of the person, his religious core. And therefore

the missionaries are the most violent people in the world. They have

committed violence and nobody has committed violence as they have

done. They continue to do that. But people do not realise this. They

do seemingly good things in order to commit this violence.

 

Q: What is the effect of missionary activity on national

security?

 

Ans: Look at the Northeast. I wonder if I can go and talk

there, in my own country. They ask if I am from India! This is what

the missionaries have done. Those people are made to feel they are

non-Indians. It is very unfortunate. It is a major problem for

national integrity. And not good for our tradition. In fact, Hindu

religion has to be saved for the sake of humanity because the

Christians don't believe the Muslims will go to heaven, the Muslims

don't believe the Christians will go anywhere. They both are fighting

each other in trying to reach heaven or paradise. And both believe

that the other is not going there, so they will fight forever. The

only person who says paradise is not up there but here is the Hindu.

Hindu is the only one who makes sense. He has also got a methodology

to teach, it is not just a belief. Only they are working on belief.

We are working on wisdom. There it is just beliefs, many of which

cannot be proved and several of which are wrong and foolish. See, a

belief is above reason. When you say there is heaven it is above

reason. You can believe that. You survive death then you will go to

heaven, which is also a belief. But when you say that you will

survive death, but you will go to heaven or hell, then it is

difficult to believe. And another thing they say is God is formless.

But he needs a location. You cannot define foolishness in a better

way. When you believe against all the evidence then it is called

foolishness.

 

Q: The inequalities that have cropped up in Hinduism are used

as handle against?

 

Ans: Even they have their own inequalities. They have their

own problems that are endless. But that doesn't give us a sanction

for us to have problems. We should try and solve them. But still all

these are our problems. Brothers are fighting each other over a

property and if a third fellow comes and says, since you two are

fighting let me occupy the property, that cannot be allowed. You

remain an encroacher. You can help us, but you cannot become a

beneficiary of our fight. Therefore we should resolve our own fights.

You have no business interfering in our house and I would not intrude

in yours.

 

Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are converted from

Hinduism, without themselves knowing what they are getting into. But

once converted they are told that their brethren and forefathers are

devil worshippers! This is what I say is dangerous. As Indians they

have a right to know the religions, the people and their culture and

forms etc. If they know there will be no problems. But they are

purposely kept away. The clergy is responsible for that, Islamic and

Christian clergy are responsible for that.

 

Q: But if they want to know or even reconvert, will the

Hindu 'clergy' allow that...

 

Ans: In India, there is no clergy. Here all are Hindus until

they call themselves different because when I allow every form of

worship then where is the problem? We deem you another Hindu, only

you are saying I am this and that. There is no re-conversion. There

is a prodigality and they come back. like a prodigal son. We do not

even need to baptise. We have to ask him to give up beef that is all.

 

With Love & OM!

 

OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

OM Nama Shivaya

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

 

 

Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote:

> For an article on spiritual outsourcing to Catholic dioceses in

> Kerala, see http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/apr/30spec.htm

>

> Considering that there are 450 Hindu temples in the US, perhaps the

> services of saranam.com could be considered Hindu outsourcing. How

> much of the US$39 does the pujari in India receive?

>

> I hope Amma's pujaris are recompensed in an amount comparable to

the

> puja fees.

>

> Aikya

[Guest guest]

With the greatest respect for Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati who

taught me from 1979 to 1982, I do not think this "spritual

outsourcing" was direclty rel;ated conversion. It has to do with

 

--sending requests for spiritual services like pujas or Holy Mass,

outside the originating country where fees for those services are

high (and where these services could be performed quite well) to

another country where the money exchange makes this highly

profitable, and

 

--a third party, neither the requesting person nor the agent who

performs the service, keeps most of the profit.

 

The story told about Holy Mass being said in Kerala churches for

individuals living in Great Britain or the US. The exhange rate for

US dollars to rupees was around 50 to 1 so a fee of US$50 would

become 50 X 50 rupees. The story told that most of that money was

retained by the umbrella organization called a diocese and that only

a small proportion went to the parish where the Mass was said.

 

If the diocese is using the money it keeps for conversion

activities, then it is a nastier mess and related to conversion.but

what drives people to convert in the first place? More effective

than objecting to conversion are Amma's charitable works which

remove people's suffering while retaining the values of sanatana

dharma. Pujya Swamiji is encourages such service in villages in

India but it seems Amma gave the example.

 

Aikya

 

Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller

<rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> KP! Thank you for this. What strikes me is the

> inherant contrast between the hindu and christian

> mindset. If you go to a hindu and say, "Let me teach

> you about my religion," s/he will most likely say

> "Sure, tell me about it," because hinduism encourages

> inquiry and does not say that any path is wrong.

> Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that those who

> don't follow the eternal religion will perish, and

> those who do will be rewarded.

>

> The christian mentality is to do good to avoid God's

> wrath and escape hell, and to earn a place in

> paradise. The hindu is under no threat of hell other

> than the cycle of birth and death. Every action has a

> karmic affect on the universe and all life contained

> within it, so we strive to do good for the world,

> knowing that it is to our own benefit as well.

>

> Conversion is contrary to hinduism, because it's not

> an "organized religion." You can chose to live

> according to it's wisdom, or you can chose a differant

> path. All paths lead to yoga. Some are longer than

> others.

>

> It is absolutly an act of violence to attack another's

> spiritual beliefs, and to criticise someone's cultural

> heritage. It is not only an act of violence on the

> individual, but on the future of that culture as a

> whole. The egyptians, greeks, western europeans and

> native americans are great examples of cultures who

> were either partially or completely wiped out by the

> hand of organized religion. The east is indeed in

> danger, right now, of the same fate. Large areas of

> Asia and Indonesia are already converted

>

> While it is true that at their heart, all of the

> world's major religions are in harmony, it is the

> hindu, the buddhist, the jain, the taoist, the

> tantric, who is proclaiming this truth, not those from

> the "oraganized religions," who each believe theirs is

> the only way. It's a difficult predicament because the

> eastern way of thinking (receptive,

> compassionate)makes him more susceptible to the

> western way of thinking ("My way," right/wrong).

>

> Children should be taught about their cultural

> heritage with pride and reverance. I love that Amma

> has made such a priority of gurukula style education.

>

> So, yes there is a problem. What do we do? Clearly we

> must speak to those who are targeted for conversion.

> Any ideas?

>

> hugs and pranams,

>

> Brianna

>

> --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:

> > Hari OM! OM Amirteswariye Namaha!

> >

> > Blessed all,

> >

> > Spiritual Outsourcing could be another way of

> > spreading religion, or

> > conversion.

> >

> > Please read What Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha

> > Vidya Gurukulam

> > have to say about it.

> >

> > Q: You have come out strongly against the Pope's

> > statements on the

> > anti-forcible conversions laws. You have also been a

> > campaigner

> > against conversions, terming it as violence. Can you

> > elaborate?

> >

> > Ans: Okay. What is violence? When you

> > physically hurt me it

> > is violence. When you do anything that can instigate

> > physical

> > violence, that is an act of violence, too. And if

> > you can hurt me

> > emotionally it is also violence. If you can hurt me

> > spiritually that

> > is the worst violence, rank violence. All these are

> > there in

> > conversion because it leads to physical violence.

> > When you convert

> > somebody you have to criticise the person's

> > religion, his worship,

> > his culture; all these hurt. Even when he changes it

> > hurts. How will

> > he change? He has to disown his parents, and their

> > wisdom and their

> > culture, his ancestors, and entire community; you

> > are isolating him,

> > uprooting him and all the uprooted people are

> > emotionally unsettled.

> >

> > For instance, Blacks in America are uprooted

> > people. Even

> > after generations they are not emotionally settled.

> > It will never

> > help the persons who are uprooted from their

> > culture. So it is great

> > violence against culture, tradition etc.

> >

> > Q: Is the religious person, then, the core

> > person?

> >

> > Ans: Yes, we find some people die for their

> > religion because

> > in their scripture it is told that if your religion

> > is in danger then

> > you will have to sacrifice your life so that you

> > will also have a

> > better place in paradise. The fellow begins to

> > believe that and he is

> > ready to give up his life. This is indoctrination.

> > So, for their

> > religion's sake, they have double standards. One who

> > does not believe

> > in their religion is anti-god as if God has given

> > only their religion

> > to follow. If he does not follow that he is an enemy

> > to God, an

> > infidel and deserves to be killed. Though God any

> > way is going to

> > destroy him, but if you destroy him, God will be

> > pleased that you

> > have proved your faith. This is the double standard.

> > The values are

> > not common. For followers one set of values, for

> > non-followers

> > another set of values. Killing gets a sanction. That

> > is why these are

> > all dangerous religions. And I say all converting

> > religions are

> > dangerous. They have created problems. It is like

> > somebody wanting

> > freedom to destroy me. If I do not give this

> > freedom, I become a

> > fundamentalist. But if I give them the freedom to

> > destroy me, then I

> > am a liberal, my religion a free religion. That's

> > it. Now this very

> > concept of freedom itself has to be questioned,

> > examined and told to

> > the people.

> >

> > Q: And to the Pope?

> >

> > Ans: Not only Pope. Pope told this because

> > they have got away

> > with it for 2,000 years in the name of freedom of

> > Religion. They have

> > wiped out continents, cultures in various

> > continents, religions in

> > countries ... where are those religions and cultures

> > that built those

> > pyramids? Show me one fellow now as a sample. Greek

> > and Roman

> > monuments are there, but where are the religions? In

> > Europe they

> > completely wiped out all the indigenous religions.

> > In North America

> > and South America they have finished off all the

> > native cultures.

> > Even in Africa it is almost finished.

> >

> > So now in Asia they are planting their

> > religion. They want to

> > be successful, between these two people they want to

> > destroy all

> > cultures in this world. So therefore, I say enough

> > is enough. I don't

> > want to ask them to give up their (the converts)

> > religions now.

> >

> > But their concepts, their beliefs are not

> > acceptable to me. I

> > give them the freedom to follow what they follow.

> > But I want them to

> > leave me free to follow what I believe! They cannot

> > say evangelising

> > is not against other religions. It is against other

> > religions;

> > Conversions are against other religions. We don't

> > believe in

> > conversion itself. We do not accept that, we do not

> > do that.

> >

> > Q: Then how do you deal with this problem

> > when it is so

> > basic? What are the practical ways?

> >

> > Ans: The theologians have to change. But

> > they will not. That

> > is because they have enough in-built programming.

> > What we call

> > indoctrination. There is no use even to make an

> > attempt. But we

> > should keep talking about that to them. But there is

> > one thing with

> > them. They just wait for a time when there is more

> > freedom for them

> > to do. So let that time be kept away. That conducive

> > time for them to

> > convert be kept away. The people have to be made

> > aware and proud of

> > their religion and that would take care of that in

> > course of time.

> > They should be able to say enough is enough.

> >

> > Q: But there is the lure of money and

> > incentives and other

> > benefits that the naive fall for...

> >

> > Ans: It is not really the money that buys.

> > What do they do?

> > Small things, and then they try to tempt them. That

> > gives the thumb

> > space. They begin to enter the heart. Then they tell

> > the most

> > unkindly cut. When the missionary tells that the

> > fellow's daily pooja

> > is wrong, that his altar of prayer is not the altar,

> > he has to alter

> > that. That is the unkindest cut you can get. It is a

> > stab in the

> > heart, where this fellow innocently gives some space

> > for the

> > missionary to enter. That very place becomes a place

> > for attack. He

> > attacks at the heart of the person, his religious

> > core. And therefore

> > the missionaries are the most violent people in the

> > world. They have

> > committed violence and nobody has committed violence

> > as they have

> > done. They continue to do that. But people do not

> > realise this. They

> > do seemingly good things in order to commit this

> > violence.

> >

> > Q: What is the effect of missionary activity

> > on national

> > security?

> >

> > Ans: Look at the Northeast. I wonder if I

> > can go and talk

> > there, in my own country. They ask if I am from

> > India! This is what

> > the missionaries have done. Those people are made to

> > feel they are

> > non-Indians. It is very unfortunate. It is a major

> > problem for

> > national integrity. And not good for our tradition.

> > In fact, Hindu

> > religion has to be saved for the sake of humanity

> > because the

> > Christians don't believe the Muslims will go to

> > heaven, the Muslims

> > don't believe the Christians will go anywhere. They

> > both are fighting

> > each other in trying to reach heaven or paradise.

> > And both believe

> > that the other is not going there, so they will

> > fight forever. The

> > only person who says paradise is not up there but

> > here is the Hindu.

> > Hindu is the only one who makes sense. He has also

> > got a methodology

> > to teach, it is not just a belief. Only they are

> > working on belief.

> > We are working on wisdom. There it is just beliefs,

> > many of which

> > cannot be proved and several of which are wrong and

> > foolish. See, a

> > belief is above reason. When you say there is heaven

> > it is above

> > reason. You can believe that. You survive death then

> > you will go to

> > heaven, which is also a belief. But when you say

> > that you will

> > survive death, but you will go to heaven or hell,

> > then it is

> > difficult to believe. And another thing they say is

> > God is formless.

> > But he needs a location. You cannot define

> > foolishness in a better

> > way. When you believe against all the evidence then

> > it is called

> > foolishness.

> >

> > Q: The inequalities that have cropped up in

> > Hinduism are used

> > as handle against?

> >

> > Ans: Even they have their own inequalities.

> > They have their

> > own problems that are endless. But that doesn't give

> > us a sanction

> > for us to have problems. We should try and solve

> > them. But still all

> > these are our problems. Brothers are fighting each

> > other over a

> > property and if a third fellow comes and says, since

> > you two are

> > fighting let me occupy the property, that cannot be

> > allowed. You

> > remain an encroacher. You can help us, but you

> > cannot become a

> > beneficiary of our fight. Therefore we should

> > resolve our own fights.

> > You have no business interfering in our house and I

> > would not intrude

> > in yours.

> >

> > Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are

> > converted from

> > Hinduism, without themselves knowing what they are

> > getting into. But

> > once converted they are told that their brethren and

> > forefathers are

> > devil worshippers! This is what I say is dangerous.

> > As Indians they

> > have a right to know the religions, the people and

> > their culture and

> > forms etc. If they know there will be no problems.

> > But they are

> > purposely kept away. The clergy is responsible for

> > that, Islamic and

> > Christian clergy are responsible for that.

> >

> > Q: But if they want to know or even

> > reconvert, will the

> > Hindu 'clergy' allow that...

> >

> > Ans: In India, there is no clergy. Here all

> > are Hindus until

> > they call themselves different because when I allow

> > every form of

> > worship then where is the problem? We deem you

> > another Hindu, only

> > you are saying I am this and that. There is no

> > re-conversion. There

> > is a prodigality and they come back. like a prodigal

> > son. We do not

> > even need to baptise. We have to ask him to give up

> > beef that is all.

> >

> > With Love & OM!

> >

> > OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

> > OM Nama Shivaya

> >

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Ammachi, "Aikya Param"

> > <aikya> wrote:

> > > For an article on spiritual outsourcing to

> > Catholic dioceses in

> > > Kerala, see

> > http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/apr/30spec.htm

> > >

> > > Considering that there are 450 Hindu temples in

> > the US, perhaps the

> > > services of saranam.com could be considered Hindu

> > outsourcing. How

> > > much of the US$39 does the pujari in India

> > receive?

> > >

> > > I hope Amma's pujaris are recompensed in an amount

> > comparable to

> > the

> > > puja fees.

> > >

> > > Aikya

> >

> >

>

>

> =====

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>

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Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

 

Poojya Aikya Param,

 

The outsourcing might not be directly related, but it is somehow

related indirectly, this is another technique for conversion, You

know at Palakkad what happened one of the priest's daughter the

converter's want to convert and they said same like Poojya Swamiji

said in his article like all these worships of Ganesha, Shivaji etc

are devil worships and you should worship only their God which is a

cross, nobody can hurt anybody's religious sentiments, so as Poojya

Swamiji says, ALL CONVERTING RELITIONS ARE DANGEROUS! IT IS LIKE

ANOTHER COLONISATION THROUGH RELIGION! We can all practice the

rellgion that we are naturally born, if not we will miss our

identities. HIndu religion accepts and respects all other religions

but not vice versa! unfortunately.

 

May Poojya Gurudev and Ammachi bless all.

 

With Love & OM!

 

OM Nama Shivaya!

OM Amriteswariye Namaha

 

Krishna Prasad

 

Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote:

> With the greatest respect for Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati who

> taught me from 1979 to 1982, I do not think this "spritual

> outsourcing" was direclty rel;ated conversion. It has to do with

>

> --sending requests for spiritual services like pujas or Holy Mass,

> outside the originating country where fees for those services are

> high (and where these services could be performed quite well) to

> another country where the money exchange makes this highly

> profitable, and

>

> --a third party, neither the requesting person nor the agent who

> performs the service, keeps most of the profit.

>

> The story told about Holy Mass being said in Kerala churches for

> individuals living in Great Britain or the US. The exhange rate

for

> US dollars to rupees was around 50 to 1 so a fee of US$50 would

> become 50 X 50 rupees. The story told that most of that money was

> retained by the umbrella organization called a diocese and that

only

> a small proportion went to the parish where the Mass was said.

>

> If the diocese is using the money it keeps for conversion

> activities, then it is a nastier mess and related to

conversion.but

> what drives people to convert in the first place? More effective

> than objecting to conversion are Amma's charitable works which

> remove people's suffering while retaining the values of sanatana

> dharma. Pujya Swamiji is encourages such service in villages in

> India but it seems Amma gave the example.

>

> Aikya

>

> Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller

> <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > KP! Thank you for this. What strikes me is the

> > inherant contrast between the hindu and christian

> > mindset. If you go to a hindu and say, "Let me teach

> > you about my religion," s/he will most likely say

> > "Sure, tell me about it," because hinduism encourages

> > inquiry and does not say that any path is wrong.

> > Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that those who

> > don't follow the eternal religion will perish, and

> > those who do will be rewarded.

> >

> > The christian mentality is to do good to avoid God's

> > wrath and escape hell, and to earn a place in

> > paradise. The hindu is under no threat of hell other

> > than the cycle of birth and death. Every action has a

> > karmic affect on the universe and all life contained

> > within it, so we strive to do good for the world,

> > knowing that it is to our own benefit as well.

> >

> > Conversion is contrary to hinduism, because it's not

> > an "organized religion." You can chose to live

> > according to it's wisdom, or you can chose a differant

> > path. All paths lead to yoga. Some are longer than

> > others.

> >

> > It is absolutly an act of violence to attack another's

> > spiritual beliefs, and to criticise someone's cultural

> > heritage. It is not only an act of violence on the

> > individual, but on the future of that culture as a

> > whole. The egyptians, greeks, western europeans and

> > native americans are great examples of cultures who

> > were either partially or completely wiped out by the

> > hand of organized religion. The east is indeed in

> > danger, right now, of the same fate. Large areas of

> > Asia and Indonesia are already converted

> >

> > While it is true that at their heart, all of the

> > world's major religions are in harmony, it is the

> > hindu, the buddhist, the jain, the taoist, the

> > tantric, who is proclaiming this truth, not those from

> > the "oraganized religions," who each believe theirs is

> > the only way. It's a difficult predicament because the

> > eastern way of thinking (receptive,

> > compassionate)makes him more susceptible to the

> > western way of thinking ("My way," right/wrong).

> >

> > Children should be taught about their cultural

> > heritage with pride and reverance. I love that Amma

> > has made such a priority of gurukula style education.

> >

> > So, yes there is a problem. What do we do? Clearly we

> > must speak to those who are targeted for conversion.

> > Any ideas?

> >

> > hugs and pranams,

> >

> > Brianna

> >

> > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:

> > > Hari OM! OM Amirteswariye Namaha!

> > >

> > > Blessed all,

> > >

> > > Spiritual Outsourcing could be another way of

> > > spreading religion, or

> > > conversion.

> > >

> > > Please read What Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha

> > > Vidya Gurukulam

> > > have to say about it.

> > >

> > > Q: You have come out strongly against the Pope's

> > > statements on the

> > > anti-forcible conversions laws. You have also been a

> > > campaigner

> > > against conversions, terming it as violence. Can you

> > > elaborate?

> > >

> > > Ans: Okay. What is violence? When you

> > > physically hurt me it

> > > is violence. When you do anything that can instigate

> > > physical

> > > violence, that is an act of violence, too. And if

> > > you can hurt me

> > > emotionally it is also violence. If you can hurt me

> > > spiritually that

> > > is the worst violence, rank violence. All these are

> > > there in

> > > conversion because it leads to physical violence.

> > > When you convert

> > > somebody you have to criticise the person's

> > > religion, his worship,

> > > his culture; all these hurt. Even when he changes it

> > > hurts. How will

> > > he change? He has to disown his parents, and their

> > > wisdom and their

> > > culture, his ancestors, and entire community; you

> > > are isolating him,

> > > uprooting him and all the uprooted people are

> > > emotionally unsettled.

> > >

> > > For instance, Blacks in America are uprooted

> > > people. Even

> > > after generations they are not emotionally settled.

> > > It will never

> > > help the persons who are uprooted from their

> > > culture. So it is great

> > > violence against culture, tradition etc.

> > >

> > > Q: Is the religious person, then, the core

> > > person?

> > >

> > > Ans: Yes, we find some people die for their

> > > religion because

> > > in their scripture it is told that if your religion

> > > is in danger then

> > > you will have to sacrifice your life so that you

> > > will also have a

> > > better place in paradise. The fellow begins to

> > > believe that and he is

> > > ready to give up his life. This is indoctrination.

> > > So, for their

> > > religion's sake, they have double standards. One who

> > > does not believe

> > > in their religion is anti-god as if God has given

> > > only their religion

> > > to follow. If he does not follow that he is an enemy

> > > to God, an

> > > infidel and deserves to be killed. Though God any

> > > way is going to

> > > destroy him, but if you destroy him, God will be

> > > pleased that you

> > > have proved your faith. This is the double standard.

> > > The values are

> > > not common. For followers one set of values, for

> > > non-followers

> > > another set of values. Killing gets a sanction. That

> > > is why these are

> > > all dangerous religions. And I say all converting

> > > religions are

> > > dangerous. They have created problems. It is like

> > > somebody wanting

> > > freedom to destroy me. If I do not give this

> > > freedom, I become a

> > > fundamentalist. But if I give them the freedom to

> > > destroy me, then I

> > > am a liberal, my religion a free religion. That's

> > > it. Now this very

> > > concept of freedom itself has to be questioned,

> > > examined and told to

> > > the people.

> > >

> > > Q: And to the Pope?

> > >

> > > Ans: Not only Pope. Pope told this because

> > > they have got away

> > > with it for 2,000 years in the name of freedom of

> > > Religion. They have

> > > wiped out continents, cultures in various

> > > continents, religions in

> > > countries ... where are those religions and cultures

> > > that built those

> > > pyramids? Show me one fellow now as a sample. Greek

> > > and Roman

> > > monuments are there, but where are the religions? In

> > > Europe they

> > > completely wiped out all the indigenous religions.

> > > In North America

> > > and South America they have finished off all the

> > > native cultures.

> > > Even in Africa it is almost finished.

> > >

> > > So now in Asia they are planting their

> > > religion. They want to

> > > be successful, between these two people they want to

> > > destroy all

> > > cultures in this world. So therefore, I say enough

> > > is enough. I don't

> > > want to ask them to give up their (the converts)

> > > religions now.

> > >

> > > But their concepts, their beliefs are not

> > > acceptable to me. I

> > > give them the freedom to follow what they follow.

> > > But I want them to

> > > leave me free to follow what I believe! They cannot

> > > say evangelising

> > > is not against other religions. It is against other

> > > religions;

> > > Conversions are against other religions. We don't

> > > believe in

> > > conversion itself. We do not accept that, we do not

> > > do that.

> > >

> > > Q: Then how do you deal with this problem

> > > when it is so

> > > basic? What are the practical ways?

> > >

> > > Ans: The theologians have to change. But

> > > they will not. That

> > > is because they have enough in-built programming.

> > > What we call

> > > indoctrination. There is no use even to make an

> > > attempt. But we

> > > should keep talking about that to them. But there is

> > > one thing with

> > > them. They just wait for a time when there is more

> > > freedom for them

> > > to do. So let that time be kept away. That conducive

> > > time for them to

> > > convert be kept away. The people have to be made

> > > aware and proud of

> > > their religion and that would take care of that in

> > > course of time.

> > > They should be able to say enough is enough.

> > >

> > > Q: But there is the lure of money and

> > > incentives and other

> > > benefits that the naive fall for...

> > >

> > > Ans: It is not really the money that buys.

> > > What do they do?

> > > Small things, and then they try to tempt them. That

> > > gives the thumb

> > > space. They begin to enter the heart. Then they tell

> > > the most

> > > unkindly cut. When the missionary tells that the

> > > fellow's daily pooja

> > > is wrong, that his altar of prayer is not the altar,

> > > he has to alter

> > > that. That is the unkindest cut you can get. It is a

> > > stab in the

> > > heart, where this fellow innocently gives some space

> > > for the

> > > missionary to enter. That very place becomes a place

> > > for attack. He

> > > attacks at the heart of the person, his religious

> > > core. And therefore

> > > the missionaries are the most violent people in the

> > > world. They have

> > > committed violence and nobody has committed violence

> > > as they have

> > > done. They continue to do that. But people do not

> > > realise this. They

> > > do seemingly good things in order to commit this

> > > violence.

> > >

> > > Q: What is the effect of missionary activity

> > > on national

> > > security?

> > >

> > > Ans: Look at the Northeast. I wonder if I

> > > can go and talk

> > > there, in my own country. They ask if I am from

> > > India! This is what

> > > the missionaries have done. Those people are made to

> > > feel they are

> > > non-Indians. It is very unfortunate. It is a major

> > > problem for

> > > national integrity. And not good for our tradition.

> > > In fact, Hindu

> > > religion has to be saved for the sake of humanity

> > > because the

> > > Christians don't believe the Muslims will go to

> > > heaven, the Muslims

> > > don't believe the Christians will go anywhere. They

> > > both are fighting

> > > each other in trying to reach heaven or paradise.

> > > And both believe

> > > that the other is not going there, so they will

> > > fight forever. The

> > > only person who says paradise is not up there but

> > > here is the Hindu.

> > > Hindu is the only one who makes sense. He has also

> > > got a methodology

> > > to teach, it is not just a belief. Only they are

> > > working on belief.

> > > We are working on wisdom. There it is just beliefs,

> > > many of which

> > > cannot be proved and several of which are wrong and

> > > foolish. See, a

> > > belief is above reason. When you say there is heaven

> > > it is above

> > > reason. You can believe that. You survive death then

> > > you will go to

> > > heaven, which is also a belief. But when you say

> > > that you will

> > > survive death, but you will go to heaven or hell,

> > > then it is

> > > difficult to believe. And another thing they say is

> > > God is formless.

> > > But he needs a location. You cannot define

> > > foolishness in a better

> > > way. When you believe against all the evidence then

> > > it is called

> > > foolishness.

> > >

> > > Q: The inequalities that have cropped up in

> > > Hinduism are used

> > > as handle against?

> > >

> > > Ans: Even they have their own inequalities.

> > > They have their

> > > own problems that are endless. But that doesn't give

> > > us a sanction

> > > for us to have problems. We should try and solve

> > > them. But still all

> > > these are our problems. Brothers are fighting each

> > > other over a

> > > property and if a third fellow comes and says, since

> > > you two are

> > > fighting let me occupy the property, that cannot be

> > > allowed. You

> > > remain an encroacher. You can help us, but you

> > > cannot become a

> > > beneficiary of our fight. Therefore we should

> > > resolve our own fights.

> > > You have no business interfering in our house and I

> > > would not intrude

> > > in yours.

> > >

> > > Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are

> > > converted from

> > > Hinduism, without themselves knowing what they are

> > > getting into. But

> > > once converted they are told that their brethren and

> > > forefathers are

> > > devil worshippers! This is what I say is dangerous.

> > > As Indians they

> > > have a right to know the religions, the people and

> > > their culture and

> > > forms etc. If they know there will be no problems.

> > > But they are

> > > purposely kept away. The clergy is responsible for

> > > that, Islamic and

> > > Christian clergy are responsible for that.

> > >

> > > Q: But if they want to know or even

> > > reconvert, will the

> > > Hindu 'clergy' allow that...

> > >

> > > Ans: In India, there is no clergy. Here all

> > > are Hindus until

> > > they call themselves different because when I allow

> > > every form of

> > > worship then where is the problem? We deem you

> > > another Hindu, only

> > > you are saying I am this and that. There is no

> > > re-conversion. There

> > > is a prodigality and they come back. like a prodigal

> > > son. We do not

> > > even need to baptise. We have to ask him to give up

> > > beef that is all.

> > >

> > > With Love & OM!

> > >

> > > OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

> > > OM Nama Shivaya

> > >

> > > Krishna Prasad

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ammachi, "Aikya Param"

> > > <aikya> wrote:

> > > > For an article on spiritual outsourcing to

> > > Catholic dioceses in

> > > > Kerala, see

> > > http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/apr/30spec.htm

> > > >

> > > > Considering that there are 450 Hindu temples in

> > > the US, perhaps the

> > > > services of saranam.com could be considered Hindu

> > > outsourcing. How

> > > > much of the US$39 does the pujari in India

> > > receive?

> > > >

> > > > I hope Amma's pujaris are recompensed in an amount

> > > comparable to

> > > the

> > > > puja fees.

> > > >

> > > > Aikya

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > =====

> > sarvabhauma_yoga/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I agree. Conversion is religious globalization. Diversity is a

good thing regarding plants, animals, people and religions.

 

Aikya

 

Ammachi, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

wrote:

> Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

>

> Poojya Aikya Param,

>

> The outsourcing might not be directly related, but it is somehow

> related indirectly, this is another technique for conversion, You

> know at Palakkad what happened one of the priest's daughter the

> converter's want to convert and they said same like Poojya Swamiji

> said in his article like all these worships of Ganesha, Shivaji

etc

> are devil worships and you should worship only their God which is

a

> cross, nobody can hurt anybody's religious sentiments, so as

Poojya

> Swamiji says, ALL CONVERTING RELITIONS ARE DANGEROUS! IT IS LIKE

> ANOTHER COLONISATION THROUGH RELIGION! We can all practice the

> rellgion that we are naturally born, if not we will miss our

> identities. HIndu religion accepts and respects all other

religions

> but not vice versa! unfortunately.

>

> May Poojya Gurudev and Ammachi bless all.

>

> With Love & OM!

>

> OM Nama Shivaya!

> OM Amriteswariye Namaha

>

> Krishna Prasad

>

> Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote:

> > With the greatest respect for Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati

who

> > taught me from 1979 to 1982, I do not think this "spritual

> > outsourcing" was direclty rel;ated conversion. It has to do

with

> >

> > --sending requests for spiritual services like pujas or Holy

Mass,

> > outside the originating country where fees for those services

are

> > high (and where these services could be performed quite well) to

> > another country where the money exchange makes this highly

> > profitable, and

> >

> > --a third party, neither the requesting person nor the agent who

> > performs the service, keeps most of the profit.

> >

> > The story told about Holy Mass being said in Kerala churches for

> > individuals living in Great Britain or the US. The exhange rate

> for

> > US dollars to rupees was around 50 to 1 so a fee of US$50 would

> > become 50 X 50 rupees. The story told that most of that money

was

> > retained by the umbrella organization called a diocese and that

> only

> > a small proportion went to the parish where the Mass was said.

> >

> > If the diocese is using the money it keeps for conversion

> > activities, then it is a nastier mess and related to

> conversion.but

> > what drives people to convert in the first place? More effective

> > than objecting to conversion are Amma's charitable works which

> > remove people's suffering while retaining the values of sanatana

> > dharma. Pujya Swamiji is encourages such service in villages in

> > India but it seems Amma gave the example.

> >

> > Aikya

> >

> > Ammachi, Brianna Mosteller

> > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > KP! Thank you for this. What strikes me is the

> > > inherant contrast between the hindu and christian

> > > mindset. If you go to a hindu and say, "Let me teach

> > > you about my religion," s/he will most likely say

> > > "Sure, tell me about it," because hinduism encourages

> > > inquiry and does not say that any path is wrong.

> > > Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that those who

> > > don't follow the eternal religion will perish, and

> > > those who do will be rewarded.

> > >

> > > The christian mentality is to do good to avoid God's

> > > wrath and escape hell, and to earn a place in

> > > paradise. The hindu is under no threat of hell other

> > > than the cycle of birth and death. Every action has a

> > > karmic affect on the universe and all life contained

> > > within it, so we strive to do good for the world,

> > > knowing that it is to our own benefit as well.

> > >

> > > Conversion is contrary to hinduism, because it's not

> > > an "organized religion." You can chose to live

> > > according to it's wisdom, or you can chose a differant

> > > path. All paths lead to yoga. Some are longer than

> > > others.

> > >

> > > It is absolutly an act of violence to attack another's

> > > spiritual beliefs, and to criticise someone's cultural

> > > heritage. It is not only an act of violence on the

> > > individual, but on the future of that culture as a

> > > whole. The egyptians, greeks, western europeans and

> > > native americans are great examples of cultures who

> > > were either partially or completely wiped out by the

> > > hand of organized religion. The east is indeed in

> > > danger, right now, of the same fate. Large areas of

> > > Asia and Indonesia are already converted

> > >

> > > While it is true that at their heart, all of the

> > > world's major religions are in harmony, it is the

> > > hindu, the buddhist, the jain, the taoist, the

> > > tantric, who is proclaiming this truth, not those from

> > > the "oraganized religions," who each believe theirs is

> > > the only way. It's a difficult predicament because the

> > > eastern way of thinking (receptive,

> > > compassionate)makes him more susceptible to the

> > > western way of thinking ("My way," right/wrong).

> > >

> > > Children should be taught about their cultural

> > > heritage with pride and reverance. I love that Amma

> > > has made such a priority of gurukula style education.

> > >

> > > So, yes there is a problem. What do we do? Clearly we

> > > must speak to those who are targeted for conversion.

> > > Any ideas?

> > >

> > > hugs and pranams,

> > >

> > > Brianna

> > >

> > > --- Krishna Prasad <rkrishp99> wrote:

> > > > Hari OM! OM Amirteswariye Namaha!

> > > >

> > > > Blessed all,

> > > >

> > > > Spiritual Outsourcing could be another way of

> > > > spreading religion, or

> > > > conversion.

> > > >

> > > > Please read What Swami Dayananda Saraswathi of Arsha

> > > > Vidya Gurukulam

> > > > have to say about it.

> > > >

> > > > Q: You have come out strongly against the Pope's

> > > > statements on the

> > > > anti-forcible conversions laws. You have also been a

> > > > campaigner

> > > > against conversions, terming it as violence. Can you

> > > > elaborate?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: Okay. What is violence? When you

> > > > physically hurt me it

> > > > is violence. When you do anything that can instigate

> > > > physical

> > > > violence, that is an act of violence, too. And if

> > > > you can hurt me

> > > > emotionally it is also violence. If you can hurt me

> > > > spiritually that

> > > > is the worst violence, rank violence. All these are

> > > > there in

> > > > conversion because it leads to physical violence.

> > > > When you convert

> > > > somebody you have to criticise the person's

> > > > religion, his worship,

> > > > his culture; all these hurt. Even when he changes it

> > > > hurts. How will

> > > > he change? He has to disown his parents, and their

> > > > wisdom and their

> > > > culture, his ancestors, and entire community; you

> > > > are isolating him,

> > > > uprooting him and all the uprooted people are

> > > > emotionally unsettled.

> > > >

> > > > For instance, Blacks in America are uprooted

> > > > people. Even

> > > > after generations they are not emotionally settled.

> > > > It will never

> > > > help the persons who are uprooted from their

> > > > culture. So it is great

> > > > violence against culture, tradition etc.

> > > >

> > > > Q: Is the religious person, then, the core

> > > > person?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: Yes, we find some people die for their

> > > > religion because

> > > > in their scripture it is told that if your religion

> > > > is in danger then

> > > > you will have to sacrifice your life so that you

> > > > will also have a

> > > > better place in paradise. The fellow begins to

> > > > believe that and he is

> > > > ready to give up his life. This is indoctrination.

> > > > So, for their

> > > > religion's sake, they have double standards. One who

> > > > does not believe

> > > > in their religion is anti-god as if God has given

> > > > only their religion

> > > > to follow. If he does not follow that he is an enemy

> > > > to God, an

> > > > infidel and deserves to be killed. Though God any

> > > > way is going to

> > > > destroy him, but if you destroy him, God will be

> > > > pleased that you

> > > > have proved your faith. This is the double standard.

> > > > The values are

> > > > not common. For followers one set of values, for

> > > > non-followers

> > > > another set of values. Killing gets a sanction. That

> > > > is why these are

> > > > all dangerous religions. And I say all converting

> > > > religions are

> > > > dangerous. They have created problems. It is like

> > > > somebody wanting

> > > > freedom to destroy me. If I do not give this

> > > > freedom, I become a

> > > > fundamentalist. But if I give them the freedom to

> > > > destroy me, then I

> > > > am a liberal, my religion a free religion. That's

> > > > it. Now this very

> > > > concept of freedom itself has to be questioned,

> > > > examined and told to

> > > > the people.

> > > >

> > > > Q: And to the Pope?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: Not only Pope. Pope told this because

> > > > they have got away

> > > > with it for 2,000 years in the name of freedom of

> > > > Religion. They have

> > > > wiped out continents, cultures in various

> > > > continents, religions in

> > > > countries ... where are those religions and cultures

> > > > that built those

> > > > pyramids? Show me one fellow now as a sample. Greek

> > > > and Roman

> > > > monuments are there, but where are the religions? In

> > > > Europe they

> > > > completely wiped out all the indigenous religions.

> > > > In North America

> > > > and South America they have finished off all the

> > > > native cultures.

> > > > Even in Africa it is almost finished.

> > > >

> > > > So now in Asia they are planting their

> > > > religion. They want to

> > > > be successful, between these two people they want to

> > > > destroy all

> > > > cultures in this world. So therefore, I say enough

> > > > is enough. I don't

> > > > want to ask them to give up their (the converts)

> > > > religions now.

> > > >

> > > > But their concepts, their beliefs are not

> > > > acceptable to me. I

> > > > give them the freedom to follow what they follow.

> > > > But I want them to

> > > > leave me free to follow what I believe! They cannot

> > > > say evangelising

> > > > is not against other religions. It is against other

> > > > religions;

> > > > Conversions are against other religions. We don't

> > > > believe in

> > > > conversion itself. We do not accept that, we do not

> > > > do that.

> > > >

> > > > Q: Then how do you deal with this problem

> > > > when it is so

> > > > basic? What are the practical ways?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: The theologians have to change. But

> > > > they will not. That

> > > > is because they have enough in-built programming.

> > > > What we call

> > > > indoctrination. There is no use even to make an

> > > > attempt. But we

> > > > should keep talking about that to them. But there is

> > > > one thing with

> > > > them. They just wait for a time when there is more

> > > > freedom for them

> > > > to do. So let that time be kept away. That conducive

> > > > time for them to

> > > > convert be kept away. The people have to be made

> > > > aware and proud of

> > > > their religion and that would take care of that in

> > > > course of time.

> > > > They should be able to say enough is enough.

> > > >

> > > > Q: But there is the lure of money and

> > > > incentives and other

> > > > benefits that the naive fall for...

> > > >

> > > > Ans: It is not really the money that buys.

> > > > What do they do?

> > > > Small things, and then they try to tempt them. That

> > > > gives the thumb

> > > > space. They begin to enter the heart. Then they tell

> > > > the most

> > > > unkindly cut. When the missionary tells that the

> > > > fellow's daily pooja

> > > > is wrong, that his altar of prayer is not the altar,

> > > > he has to alter

> > > > that. That is the unkindest cut you can get. It is a

> > > > stab in the

> > > > heart, where this fellow innocently gives some space

> > > > for the

> > > > missionary to enter. That very place becomes a place

> > > > for attack. He

> > > > attacks at the heart of the person, his religious

> > > > core. And therefore

> > > > the missionaries are the most violent people in the

> > > > world. They have

> > > > committed violence and nobody has committed violence

> > > > as they have

> > > > done. They continue to do that. But people do not

> > > > realise this. They

> > > > do seemingly good things in order to commit this

> > > > violence.

> > > >

> > > > Q: What is the effect of missionary activity

> > > > on national

> > > > security?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: Look at the Northeast. I wonder if I

> > > > can go and talk

> > > > there, in my own country. They ask if I am from

> > > > India! This is what

> > > > the missionaries have done. Those people are made to

> > > > feel they are

> > > > non-Indians. It is very unfortunate. It is a major

> > > > problem for

> > > > national integrity. And not good for our tradition.

> > > > In fact, Hindu

> > > > religion has to be saved for the sake of humanity

> > > > because the

> > > > Christians don't believe the Muslims will go to

> > > > heaven, the Muslims

> > > > don't believe the Christians will go anywhere. They

> > > > both are fighting

> > > > each other in trying to reach heaven or paradise.

> > > > And both believe

> > > > that the other is not going there, so they will

> > > > fight forever. The

> > > > only person who says paradise is not up there but

> > > > here is the Hindu.

> > > > Hindu is the only one who makes sense. He has also

> > > > got a methodology

> > > > to teach, it is not just a belief. Only they are

> > > > working on belief.

> > > > We are working on wisdom. There it is just beliefs,

> > > > many of which

> > > > cannot be proved and several of which are wrong and

> > > > foolish. See, a

> > > > belief is above reason. When you say there is heaven

> > > > it is above

> > > > reason. You can believe that. You survive death then

> > > > you will go to

> > > > heaven, which is also a belief. But when you say

> > > > that you will

> > > > survive death, but you will go to heaven or hell,

> > > > then it is

> > > > difficult to believe. And another thing they say is

> > > > God is formless.

> > > > But he needs a location. You cannot define

> > > > foolishness in a better

> > > > way. When you believe against all the evidence then

> > > > it is called

> > > > foolishness.

> > > >

> > > > Q: The inequalities that have cropped up in

> > > > Hinduism are used

> > > > as handle against?

> > > >

> > > > Ans: Even they have their own inequalities.

> > > > They have their

> > > > own problems that are endless. But that doesn't give

> > > > us a sanction

> > > > for us to have problems. We should try and solve

> > > > them. But still all

> > > > these are our problems. Brothers are fighting each

> > > > other over a

> > > > property and if a third fellow comes and says, since

> > > > you two are

> > > > fighting let me occupy the property, that cannot be

> > > > allowed. You

> > > > remain an encroacher. You can help us, but you

> > > > cannot become a

> > > > beneficiary of our fight. Therefore we should

> > > > resolve our own fights.

> > > > You have no business interfering in our house and I

> > > > would not intrude

> > > > in yours.

> > > >

> > > > Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are

> > > > converted from

> > > > Hinduism, without themselves knowing what they are

> > > > getting into. But

> > > > once converted they are told that their brethren and

> > > > forefathers are

> > > > devil worshippers! This is what I say is dangerous.

> > > > As Indians they

> > > > have a right to know the religions, the people and

> > > > their culture and

> > > > forms etc. If they know there will be no problems.

> > > > But they are

> > > > purposely kept away. The clergy is responsible for

> > > > that, Islamic and

> > > > Christian clergy are responsible for that.

> > > >

> > > > Q: But if they want to know or even

> > > > reconvert, will the

> > > > Hindu 'clergy' allow that...

> > > >

> > > > Ans: In India, there is no clergy. Here all

> > > > are Hindus until

> > > > they call themselves different because when I allow

> > > > every form of

> > > > worship then where is the problem? We deem you

> > > > another Hindu, only

> > > > you are saying I am this and that. There is no

> > > > re-conversion. There

> > > > is a prodigality and they come back. like a prodigal

> > > > son. We do not

> > > > even need to baptise. We have to ask him to give up

> > > > beef that is all.

> > > >

> > > > With Love & OM!

> > > >

> > > > OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

> > > > OM Nama Shivaya

> > > >

> > > > Krishna Prasad

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ammachi, "Aikya Param"

> > > > <aikya> wrote:

> > > > > For an article on spiritual outsourcing to

> > > > Catholic dioceses in

> > > > > Kerala, see

> > > > http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/apr/30spec.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Considering that there are 450 Hindu temples in

> > > > the US, perhaps the

> > > > > services of saranam.com could be considered Hindu

> > > > outsourcing. How

> > > > > much of the US$39 does the pujari in India

> > > > receive?

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope Amma's pujaris are recompensed in an amount

> > > > comparable to

> > > > the

> > > > > puja fees.

> > > > >

> > > > > Aikya

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =====

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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