Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 I have some opinions to share.. The question is - When is effort necessary and when it is not? A related question is - What is the purpose of effort if this thing we call Realizations is just discovering what we already are (our true nature). The purpose of effort is to reach a stage when it is realized that effort cannot get us the realization that we are desperately seeking. Then effort stop out of utter helplessness. Until that time effort is necessary. So the purpose of effort is to bring us to the stage where we feel that nothing we do can bring about realization. Then out of sheer desperation we are ready to surrender. That is true surrender, and the stage when effort should cease. Then Grace can flow. At this stage, the teacher does not prescribe any more sadhana to the disciple. He merely reiterates the fact that the disciple is already realized. He says - You are not merely the body-mind, but you are the Infinite Consciousness. After much repitition, these words slowly sink into the mind and suddenly one day, the so-called event called Enlightenment happens. But if somebody fakes this surrender and gives up effort, it will not work. As long as there is the feeling deep inside that we are in control of our destiny, all talk of surrender is mere talk. But when true surrender happens out of a feeling of desperation and helplessness, it is no longer mere talk. In other words, surrender can only happen as a result of Grace, it cannot be brought about by the ego. There is much debate in spiritual circles among the Effort group and the Surrender group, each claiming to be the correct path. Both are necessary at the appropriate time. Neither is a superior path. In the end, it is seen that both paths are a maninfestation of the one Grace. Those who derire the teacher that prescribes sadhana lack as much understanding as those who deride the teacher that prescribes no sadhana and says - you are already the Self you are seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 - yogasidh Ammachi Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:31 AM Re: Waiting How beautifully put! Snehalata I have some opinions to share.. The question is - When is effort necessary and when it is not? A related question is - What is the purpose of effort if this thing we call Realizations is just discovering what we already are (our true nature). The purpose of effort is to reach a stage when it is realized that effort cannot get us the realization that we are desperately seeking. Then effort stop out of utter helplessness. Until that time effort is necessary. So the purpose of effort is to bring us to the stage where we feel that nothing we do can bring about realization. Then out of sheer desperation we are ready to surrender. That is true surrender, and the stage when effort should cease. Then Grace can flow. At this stage, the teacher does not prescribe any more sadhana to the disciple. He merely reiterates the fact that the disciple is already realized. He says - You are not merely the body-mind, but you are the Infinite Consciousness. After much repitition, these words slowly sink into the mind and suddenly one day, the so-called event called Enlightenment happens. But if somebody fakes this surrender and gives up effort, it will not work. As long as there is the feeling deep inside that we are in control of our destiny, all talk of surrender is mere talk. But when true surrender happens out of a feeling of desperation and helplessness, it is no longer mere talk. In other words, surrender can only happen as a result of Grace, it cannot be brought about by the ego. There is much debate in spiritual circles among the Effort group and the Surrender group, each claiming to be the correct path. Both are necessary at the appropriate time. Neither is a superior path. In the end, it is seen that both paths are a maninfestation of the one Grace. Those who derire the teacher that prescribes sadhana lack as much understanding as those who deride the teacher that prescribes no sadhana and says - you are already the Self you are seeking. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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