Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million rupees) is comparable to the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. 23 million dollars. Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 million dollars! In the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was asked how she couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have never claimed to have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". Also Mayi was checking with her assistants on things like place names as famous as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman talking. So powers, no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs away from the mircale claims. As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was cleverly waiting for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in the forefront of the relief efforts in the early days. Many others were. Mata is coming, when people have already started leaving the camps. Mata Mayi Mafia have estimated the damage. Besides the human casualties economic damage in Kerala is not very big... at least easily manageable by the Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is diving in now knowing that not even a fraction of the promised 100 crores will be really used/required. -Posted in another site by I Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I don't understand why this person is posting here. I have no issue with people asking questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen the disaster?") or writing about difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but this post just seems downright hostile, implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's part, in offering relief aid to victims of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in the "forefront" of the relief efforts immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? She was unquestionably in the trenches. Namah Shivaya, Iswari Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million rupees) is comparable to > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. 23 million dollars. > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 million dollars! In > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was asked how she > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have never claimed to > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". Also Mayi was > checking with her assistants on things like place names as famous > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman talking. So powers, > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs away from the > mircale claims. > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was cleverly waiting > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in the forefront of the > relief efforts in the early days. Many others were. Mata is coming, > when people have already started leaving the camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > have estimated the damage. Besides the human casualties economic > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least easily manageable by the > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is diving in now > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised 100 crores will be > really used/required. > > -Posted in another site by I Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps deep down we're not sure about Amma. Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to the claims. Is what he says true? --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. > I have no issue with people asking > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen > the disaster?") or writing about > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but > this post just seems downright hostile, > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's > part, in offering relief aid to victims > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a > *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in > the "forefront" of the relief efforts > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? > She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > Namah Shivaya, > Iswari > > Ammachi, "schittoor" > <schittoor> wrote: > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million > rupees) is comparable to > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. > 23 million dollars. > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 > million dollars! In > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was > asked how she > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have > never claimed to > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". > Also Mayi was > > checking with her assistants on things like place > names as famous > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman > talking. So powers, > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs > away from the > > mircale claims. > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was > cleverly waiting > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in > the forefront of the > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others > were. Mata is coming, > > when people have already started leaving the > camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human > casualties economic > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least > easily manageable by the > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is > diving in now > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised > 100 crores will be > > really used/required. > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 There isn't doubt in my heart. I truly believe that Amma is doing everything in Her power to help the victims of this disaster. I simply meant what I said, in terms of not understanding why this person (who evidences nothing but scorn for Amma) is posting here (on a list that's always seemed to me to be something of an electronic satsang). Iswari Ammachi, David Cosentino <dharmabum253> wrote: > I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always > react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. > Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe > he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, > it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps > deep down we're not sure about Amma. > > Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him > off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to > the claims. Is what he says true? > > --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. > > I have no issue with people asking > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen > > the disaster?") or writing about > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but > > this post just seems downright hostile, > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's > > part, in offering relief aid to victims > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a > > *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in > > the "forefront" of the relief efforts > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? > > She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" > > <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million > > rupees) is comparable to > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. > > 23 million dollars. > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 > > million dollars! In > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was > > asked how she > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have > > never claimed to > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". > > Also Mayi was > > > checking with her assistants on things like place > > names as famous > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman > > talking. So powers, > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs > > away from the > > > mircale claims. > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was > > cleverly waiting > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in > > the forefront of the > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others > > were. Mata is coming, > > > when people have already started leaving the > > camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human > > casualties economic > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least > > easily manageable by the > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is > > diving in now > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised > > 100 crores will be > > > really used/required. > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 ONS, IMO, such people wish to sow doubt in the hearts of the faithful. Not for a moment do I believe the tsunami damage is "easily manageable by the government" of Kerala. In fact, is anything easily manageable by the gov't of Kerala? Is that why people live in grass huts and Amma has built over 1,000 homes there? That should have been "easily manageable by the government," but the government did nothing. Amma's pensions for widows are (I read somewhere) 100 rupees per month more than what the "easily manageable" government offered widows. I doubt this person even believes his or her own rhetoric. It's ridiculous. As ever, Jyotsna ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: There isn't doubt in my heart. I truly believe that Amma is doing everything in Her power to help the victims of this disaster. I simply meant what I said, in terms of not understanding why this person (who evidences nothing but scorn for Amma) is posting here (on a list that's always seemed to me to be something of an electronic satsang). Iswari Ammachi, David Cosentino <dharmabum253> wrote: > I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always > react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. > Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe > he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, > it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps > deep down we're not sure about Amma. > > Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him > off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to > the claims. Is what he says true? > > --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. > > I have no issue with people asking > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen > > the disaster?") or writing about > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but > > this post just seems downright hostile, > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's > > part, in offering relief aid to victims > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a > > *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in > > the "forefront" of the relief efforts > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? > > She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" > > <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million > > rupees) is comparable to > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. > > 23 million dollars. > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 > > million dollars! In > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was > > asked how she > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have > > never claimed to > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". > > Also Mayi was > > > checking with her assistants on things like place > > names as famous > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman > > talking. So powers, > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs > > away from the > > > mircale claims. > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was > > cleverly waiting > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in > > the forefront of the > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others > > were. Mata is coming, > > > when people have already started leaving the > > camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human > > casualties economic > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least > > easily manageable by the > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is > > diving in now > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised > > 100 crores will be > > > really used/required. > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail./mail_250 Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 All around us we see selfishness -- even many activities commonly labeled as selfless are at the root selfishly motivated. When someone is suspected of being truly selfless, the deep yearning within us to witness and experience true love and selflessness makes us tear apart their motives to see if at the core there really is love. That is all it is, in my opinion, when someone tears up Amma and her motives -- he is just searching for love. Nandu Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > ONS, > > IMO, such people wish to sow doubt in the hearts of the faithful. Not for a moment > do I believe the tsunami damage is "easily manageable by the government" of > Kerala. In fact, is anything easily manageable by the gov't of Kerala? Is that why > people live in grass huts and Amma has built over 1,000 homes there? That should > have been "easily manageable by the government," but the government did nothing. > Amma's pensions for widows are (I read somewhere) 100 rupees per month more than > what the "easily manageable" government offered widows. I doubt this person even > believes his or her own rhetoric. It's ridiculous. > > As ever, > Jyotsna > > ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > There isn't doubt in my heart. I truly believe that Amma is doing everything in Her power > to help the victims of this disaster. I simply meant what I said, in terms of not > understanding why this person (who evidences nothing but scorn for Amma) is posting > here (on a list that's always seemed to me to be something of an electronic satsang). > > Iswari > > Ammachi, David Cosentino <dharmabum253> wrote: > > I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always > > react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. > > Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe > > he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, > > it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps > > deep down we're not sure about Amma. > > > > Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him > > off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to > > the claims. Is what he says true? > > > > --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. > > > I have no issue with people asking > > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen > > > the disaster?") or writing about > > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but > > > this post just seems downright hostile, > > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's > > > part, in offering relief aid to victims > > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a > > > *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in > > > the "forefront" of the relief efforts > > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? > > > She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > Iswari > > > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" > > > <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million > > > rupees) is comparable to > > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. > > > 23 million dollars. > > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 > > > million dollars! In > > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was > > > asked how she > > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have > > > never claimed to > > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". > > > Also Mayi was > > > > checking with her assistants on things like place > > > names as famous > > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman > > > talking. So powers, > > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs > > > away from the > > > > mircale claims. > > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was > > > cleverly waiting > > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in > > > the forefront of the > > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others > > > were. Mata is coming, > > > > when people have already started leaving the > > > camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human > > > casualties economic > > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least > > > easily manageable by the > > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is > > > diving in now > > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised > > > 100 crores will be > > > > really used/required. > > > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: Dear Moderator.... I don't understand why are you allowing Schitoor to SHIT again and again. Just disable his membership. In response to his recent posting - although it's negative - I would like to note down something that Amma quoted once: "Those who truly absorb spirituality and live according to Dharma do not experience sorrow. What is the use of just sitting and crying if your hand is cut? You have to apply a salve to the wound. If you just sit and cry, the wound could become infected and you could even die. Suppose someone verbally abuses you and you react by sitting in a corner and crying. You are unhappy because you have accepted the abuse. If you don't accept it, it becomes that person's problem, not yours. So you have to disown it. If you act with discrimination in this way, you will attain freedom from suffering." Chandran-Dubai Ever in Amma's Service Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari> wrote: > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. I have no issue with people asking > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen the disaster?") or writing about > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but this post just seems downright hostile, > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's part, in offering relief aid to victims > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in the "forefront" of the relief efforts > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > Namah Shivaya, > Iswari > > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million rupees) is comparable to > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. 23 million dollars. > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 million dollars! In > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was asked how she > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have never claimed to > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". Also Mayi was > > checking with her assistants on things like place names as famous > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman talking. So powers, > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs away from the > > mircale claims. > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was cleverly waiting > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in the forefront of the > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others were. Mata is coming, > > when people have already started leaving the camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human casualties economic > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least easily manageable by the > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is diving in now > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised 100 crores will be > > really used/required. > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Dear Members, I happy to share with you some background to this flamer "schittoor". He is evidently a regular flamer in other groups too, where I am member. So, please ignore him, if at all you happen to cross his postings in future. Looks like he lives in the virtual world, rather than amidst reality on the ground. I appreciate Keval's moderation style, as he explained in one of the last messages. Please let Keval maintain freedom of expression, which is the basis of any civilized society. Love Aaroamal Ammachi, "chembalacnair" <chembalacnair> wrote: > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > Dear Moderator.... > > I don't understand why are you allowing Schitoor to SHIT again and > again. Just disable his membership. > > In response to his recent posting - although it's negative - I would > like to note down something that Amma quoted once: > > "Those who truly absorb spirituality and live according to Dharma do > not experience sorrow. What is the use of just sitting and crying if > your hand is cut? You have to apply a salve to the wound. If you > just sit and cry, the wound could become infected and you could even > die. Suppose someone verbally abuses you and you react by sitting in > a corner and crying. You are unhappy because you have accepted the > abuse. If you don't accept it, it becomes that person's problem, not > yours. So you have to disown it. If you act with discrimination in > this way, you will attain freedom from suffering." > > Chandran-Dubai > Ever in Amma's Service > > Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari> > wrote: > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. I have no > issue with people asking > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen the > disaster?") or writing about > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but this post just > seems downright hostile, > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's part, in > offering relief aid to victims > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a *crime > syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in the "forefront" > of the relief efforts > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? She was > unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million rupees) is > comparable to > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. 23 million > dollars. > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 million dollars! > In > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was asked how she > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have never claimed > to > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". Also Mayi was > > > checking with her assistants on things like place names as > famous > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman talking. So > powers, > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs away from the > > > mircale claims. > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was cleverly > waiting > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in the forefront of > the > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others were. Mata is > coming, > > > when people have already started leaving the camps. Mata Mayi > Mafia > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human casualties economic > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least easily manageable > by the > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is diving in now > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised 100 crores will > be > > > really used/required. > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Just because free speech is the basis of a civilized society doesn't mean that one ought to let anyone into one's home to spew vitriol, from my perspective. Sincerely, Iswari Ammachi, Aaroamal <aaroamal@g...> wrote: > Dear Members, > > I happy to share with you some background to this flamer "schittoor". > He is evidently a regular flamer in other groups too, where I am > member. So, please ignore him, if at all you happen to cross his > postings in future. Looks like he lives in the virtual world, rather > than amidst reality on the ground. > > I appreciate Keval's moderation style, as he explained in one of the > last messages. Please let Keval maintain freedom of expression, which > is the basis of any civilized society. > > Love > > Aaroamal > > Ammachi, "chembalacnair" <chembalacnair> wrote: > > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > > > Dear Moderator.... > > > > I don't understand why are you allowing Schitoor to SHIT again and > > again. Just disable his membership. > > > > In response to his recent posting - although it's negative - I would > > like to note down something that Amma quoted once: > > > > "Those who truly absorb spirituality and live according to Dharma do > > not experience sorrow. What is the use of just sitting and crying if > > your hand is cut? You have to apply a salve to the wound. If you > > just sit and cry, the wound could become infected and you could even > > die. Suppose someone verbally abuses you and you react by sitting in > > a corner and crying. You are unhappy because you have accepted the > > abuse. If you don't accept it, it becomes that person's problem, not > > yours. So you have to disown it. If you act with discrimination in > > this way, you will attain freedom from suffering." > > > > Chandran-Dubai > > Ever in Amma's Service > > > > Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari> > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. I have no > > issue with people asking > > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen the > > disaster?") or writing about > > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but this post just > > seems downright hostile, > > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's part, in > > offering relief aid to victims > > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a *crime > > syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in the "forefront" > > of the relief efforts > > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? She was > > unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > Iswari > > > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million rupees) is > > comparable to > > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. 23 million > > dollars. > > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 million dollars! > > In > > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was asked how she > > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have never claimed > > to > > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". Also Mayi was > > > > checking with her assistants on things like place names as > > famous > > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman talking. So > > powers, > > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs away from the > > > > mircale claims. > > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was cleverly > > waiting > > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in the forefront of > > the > > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others were. Mata is > > coming, > > > > when people have already started leaving the camps. Mata Mayi > > Mafia > > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human casualties economic > > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least easily manageable > > by the > > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is diving in now > > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised 100 crores will > > be > > > > really used/required. > > > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Jai Nandu and wisdom over emotion. "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." ~ The Gospels John 1:1-5 Devi Om Ammachi, "vallathnkumar" <vallathn@h...> wrote: > > All around us we see selfishness -- even many activities commonly > labeled as selfless are at the root selfishly motivated. When > someone is suspected of being truly selfless, the deep yearning > within us to witness and experience true love and selflessness makes > us tear apart their motives to see if at the core there really is > love. > That is all it is, in my opinion, when someone tears up Amma and her > motives -- he is just searching for love. > > Nandu > > Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > > ONS, > > > > IMO, such people wish to sow doubt in the hearts of the faithful. > Not for a moment > > do I believe the tsunami damage is "easily manageable by the > government" of > > Kerala. In fact, is anything easily manageable by the gov't of > Kerala? Is that why > > people live in grass huts and Amma has built over 1,000 homes > there? That should > > have been "easily manageable by the government," but the > government did nothing. > > Amma's pensions for widows are (I read somewhere) 100 rupees per > month more than > > what the "easily manageable" government offered widows. I doubt > this person even > > believes his or her own rhetoric. It's ridiculous. > > > > As ever, > > Jyotsna > > > > ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > > There isn't doubt in my heart. I truly believe that Amma is doing > everything in Her power > > to help the victims of this disaster. I simply meant what I said, > in terms of not > > understanding why this person (who evidences nothing but scorn for > Amma) is posting > > here (on a list that's always seemed to me to be something of an > electronic satsang). > > > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, David Cosentino > <dharmabum253> wrote: > > > I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always > > > react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. > > > Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe > > > he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, > > > it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps > > > deep down we're not sure about Amma. > > > > > > Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him > > > off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to > > > the claims. Is what he says true? > > > > > > --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand why this person is posting here. > > > > I have no issue with people asking > > > > questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen > > > > the disaster?") or writing about > > > > difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but > > > > this post just seems downright hostile, > > > > implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's > > > > part, in offering relief aid to victims > > > > of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a > > > > *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! > > > > > > > > Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in > > > > the "forefront" of the relief efforts > > > > immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? > > > > She was unquestionably in the trenches. > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > Iswari > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "schittoor" > > > > <schittoor> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 100 crores (=1 billion rupees = 1000 million > > > > rupees) is comparable to > > > > > the amounts promised by some of the rich nations. > > > > 23 million dollars. > > > > > Even the USA's initial contribution was only 35 > > > > million dollars! In > > > > > the carefully rehersed press conference Mata was > > > > asked how she > > > > > couldn't foresee the disaster. She said " I have > > > > never claimed to > > > > > have such powers. I am only doing charity work!". > > > > Also Mayi was > > > > > checking with her assistants on things like place > > > > names as famous > > > > > as 'Velanakanni'. Here you see an ordinary woman > > > > talking. So powers, > > > > > no sidhis, no magic. Confronted directly Mayi runs > > > > away from the > > > > > mircale claims. > > > > > As for the aid of 100 crores, the mata Ashram was > > > > cleverly waiting > > > > > for almost a week. Mata Mayi groups were NOT in > > > > the forefront of the > > > > > relief efforts in the early days. Many others > > > > were. Mata is coming, > > > > > when people have already started leaving the > > > > camps. Mata Mayi Mafia > > > > > have estimated the damage. Besides the human > > > > casualties economic > > > > > damage in Kerala is not very big... at least > > > > easily manageable by the > > > > > Govt and the aids already promised. Mata Mayi is > > > > diving in now > > > > > knowing that not even a fraction of the promised > > > > 100 crores will be > > > > > really used/required. > > > > > > > > > > -Posted in another site by I Junior > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > > > http://info.mail./mail_250 > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > Ammachi/ > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 If Amma pursued the said attitude, towards non-believers and critics, ones very close to her today may not have seen the light. Love Aaroamal Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari> wrote: > > Just because free speech is the basis of a civilized society doesn't mean that one ought to > let anyone into one's home to spew vitriol, from my perspective. > > Sincerely, > Iswari > > Ammachi, Aaroamal <aaroamal@g...> wrote: > > Dear Members, > > > > I am happy to share with you some background to this flamer "schittoor". > > He is evidently a regular flamer in other groups too, where I am > > member. So, please ignore him, if at all you happen to cross his > > postings in future. Looks like he lives in the virtual world, rather > > than amidst reality on the ground. > > > > I appreciate Keval's moderation style, as he explained in one of the > > last messages. Please let Keval maintain freedom of expression, which > > is the basis of any civilized society. > > > > Love > > > > Aaroamal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished? Let the flamer flame, and the spammer spam, Amma will still go on. So, will Her children! Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavanthu.... Blessed to be Amma's child, Namah Sivaya! arun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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