Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Georgeson wrote: One of the 108 names likens Amma to both Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Sarada Devi. Dear Georgeson ~ aren't Amma's Swamis and Swaminis also initiated into the lineage of Ramakrishna? I think I heard that somewhere. Jai Ma ~ Linda P.S. I am so very glad the Ramakrishna Ashrams were spared any damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/2005 10:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: Message: 8 Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:49:23 -0000 "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari Re: Supenatural Power? I don't understand why this person is posting here. I have no issue with people asking questions about Amma (e.g., "could She have forseen the disaster?") or writing about difficulties in their relationship with Amma, but this post just seems downright hostile, implying some kind of nefarious scheming on Amma's part, in offering relief aid to victims of the tsunami...and referring to Her ashram as a *crime syndicate*, for goodness sake! Finally, does it matter whether or not Amma was in the "forefront" of the relief efforts immediately (in terms of total cost of aid offered)? She was unquestionably in the trenches. Namah Shivaya, Iswari I am glad that both posters here are allowed to post. the former post was indeed hostile, and some called for censureship. I on the other hand, think it is in our best interests to hear all sides of an issue, and post and see what dialogue develops. let the truth come out. Please don't start censuring and allowing only Amma-friendly posts. Whoever this is, he has his doubts and he deserves the ability to say what he likes, as others may refute him. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/2005 10:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: The international community has so far pledged more than two billion dollars in disaster aid, but the UN has warned that some nations and donors may not honour their promises. "At the end of the day we will not receive all of it," UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said on Monday. ::Yo kjnow what else is sad is that a great portion of the aid will be stolen by both Indian and Western opportunists. Have no doubt about that. I will donate to Amma, because I see how frugal she is, but personally, let's not kid ourselves. This is a great opportunity for hundred of politicians, businessmen and unscrupulous sons of bitches, who will most definitely steal as much money as they can at the expense of others. It's hard to keep accounts of lots of money and little administrative infrastructure. Sad, but true, friends. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/2005 10:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: Supenatural Power? I think if their is doubt in our hearts we will always react with anger or aversion to viewpoints like this. Perhaps this person is simply slinging mud, but maybe he has something to teach us. If we react with anger, it may be because he challenges our own faith. Perhaps deep down we're not sure about Amma. Rather than ban him from the list or simply write him off, perhaps someone with data could respond cooly to the claims. Is what he says true? --- ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: ::that's correct. I would like to know what interview he is referring to? Her so called omniscience bothers a lot of us, and deep down I think most of us want to know how she didn't see it coming, when we know that animals all escaped without injury, just based on animal senses. It is an issue, and we ma not like to hear it, but we need to be able to deal with people and all beliefs and questions. This is that man's truth, his partial truth, at least. Why use force against him, as per banning him from list? Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 In a message dated 1/4/2005 10:07:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: Amma's pensions for widows are (I read somewhere) 100 rupees per month more than what the "easily manageable" government offered widows. I doubt this person even believes his or her own rhetoric. It's ridiculous. ::You forgot to mention the AIMS Hospital which the Indian gov could not do in a million years. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Ammachi, sprose1@a... wrote: > Her so called omniscience bothers a lot of us, and deep down I think most of us > want to know how she didn't see it coming, when we know that animals all > escaped without injury, just based on animal senses. It is an issue, and we ma not > like to hear it, but we need to be able to deal with people and all beliefs > and questions. I feel like the questions you raise are certainly important for discussion. Though they raise other questions, in terms of why is She here, and what purpose does She serve in our lives? Is She here to make life easy, prevent suffering, and remove pain? Is She here to help us grow on our spiritual paths, and to ultimately lead us toward liberation? Maybe some combination of the two, to help us get through it? Personally, I'm pretty sure that Amma was aware of a tragedy that was about to happen in my life a little over a year ago, and She said nothing. I'm not upset with Her for this, and, truthfully, I can't even say I wish it hadn't happened. Why? Because, as excrutiatingly painful as it has been for me to keep my heart open while coping with the fallout of dealing with what my losses, I've grown exponentially stronger, wiser, more compassionate and more peaceful for the experience. I feel the need to add the disclaimer that I'm speaking only for myself here, and that I'm not inviting any more pain and suffering onto myself, nor do I wish it upon others. I wish you peace in coming to your own conclusions. Namah Shivaya, Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 If he deserves the right to say what he likes, others deserve the right to a respectful dialogue. I'm not suggesting that anyone with "unapproved of" views be booted from the list. I am suggesting that name-calling and unsubstantiated accusations (as distinguished from the kinds of questions and doubts that people have raised about, say, whether or not Amma is omniscient and, if so, how could She not warn people of the disaster) are not helpful, and that it's not "censorship" to have some rules of respectful engagment. Namah Shivaya, Iswari Ammachi, sprose1@a... wrote: > I am glad that both posters here are allowed to post. the former post was > indeed hostile, and some called for censureship. I on the other hand, think it is > in our best interests to hear all sides of an issue, and post and see what > dialogue develops. let the truth come out. Please don't start censuring and > allowing only Amma-friendly posts. Whoever this is, he has his doubts and he > deserves the ability to say what he likes, as others may refute him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 This person/these people making these posts are receiving the satisfaction that they came here to receive - to cause commotion. That is their only purpose. I think one of the members said it best, when he/she stated that we should just ignore these people...just like you do with a child that is throwing a tantrum. They are merely seeking out attention. I agree with what Iswari has said, about the aspect of having a respectful conversation, debate, etc. The problem is - their is no respect in their postings. They come across more like the starving author or journalist, seeking to really get a breakthrough story on some sort of scam-artist. You won't find that in Amma, mate - not at all. I've been involved in e-mail lists for years now, and you always come across people like this. They have nothing better to do with their spare-time, then to try and create commotion and cause arguments. They get a rise out of it, and you have to feel sorry for them - that they receive their value, their self-worth, from instigating arguments and trying...TRYING...to instill doubt within the minds and hearts of faithful and devout children of Amma. Jai Kali Ma & Brightest Blessings, Bela On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 00:40:08 -0000, ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: > > If he deserves the right to say what he likes, others deserve the right to > a respectful > dialogue. I'm not suggesting that anyone with "unapproved of" views be > booted from the > list. I am suggesting that name-calling and unsubstantiated accusations (as > distinguished > from the kinds of questions and doubts that people have raised about, say, > whether or not > Amma is omniscient and, if so, how could She not warn people of the > disaster) are not > helpful, and that it's not "censorship" to have some rules of respectful > engagment. > > Namah Shivaya, > Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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