Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Namah Shivayah, I had to laugh when I read Linda's post about her fear of flying and going to Amritapuri. A long time ago, as a new devotee, I decided I'd get over my fear of flying and go to Mother's ashram in India. So as we were flying at 39,000 feet from Singapore to Trivandrum, we lost compression (ever feel like a balloon that's being blown up?), the yellow masks dropped down, and the airplane dropped 25,000 feet in one minute!!! Yikes! First they told us nothing. Then they finally told us we would divert to Kuala Lumpur, then after an hour to get there, they told us that we'd go on back to Singapore "where there are better landing facilities and better mechanics to fix the plane." Did that mean we'd have a crash landing? We didn't know. It was a very tense two hours, as we literally did not know if we would make it or not. The air-conditioning was off and the plane grew very hot. After we did indeed make it, I tried with my feeble grasp of Asian geography to figure out a way (any way!) I could get back to the west coast without flying! Um, let's see...I could go up the Malay peninsula, through Burma and China to Russia and across the Bering straights to Alaska and down! But I figured by the time I did all that (and encountered who knows what on the way) my vacation would be over and I still wouldn't have made it to India! So three days later, I took two of my flying tranquilizers and with ashen face (so I was told) boarded a second plane to Trivandrum, having been a guest of Air India in Singapore for three days. When we arrived at the ashram, it was "all over" that a radio station had actually announced that our troubled aircraft had crashed, but that Amma, when told of it by a brahmachari, had said, "Listen to how he is talking! That plane has landed safely--my children were on it!" Now, with the sad news that an aircraft with a similar problem has just crashed, I am grateful once more to Amma for saving our skins. I'm also still working on getting over my fear of flying, which, perhaps understandably, intensified after this little adventure. Nervous, but working on it, Jyotsna Devi's Daughter <devi.daughter wrote: you and me, too, linda! nierika wrote: >would be >the biggest barrier for me, since I am totally phobic about flying. > > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... True inward quietness, is not vacancy, but stability, the steadfastness of a single purpose. ~Caroline Stephen Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Thanks, Jyotsna, for sharing that story experience! I was laughing in parts cause I know just how you felt. Have done the same -- including the tranquilizers to fly without anxiety. My life long dream had been to go to Africa and I finally managed to do it only because I couldn't figure a way to go any other way--ship was out! Now as much as I want to go to India, especially to see Mother, I see this situation coming up again! Well, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it! I'm glad you made it safely, and I just LOVE how Mother said what she said! Namah Sivaya. Egyirba E. Lamb wrote: >Namah Shivayah, > >I had to laugh when I read Linda's post about her fear of flying >and going to Amritapuri. A long time ago, as a new devotee, >I decided I'd get over my fear of flying and go to Mother's >ashram in India. So as we were flying at 39,000 feet from >Singapore to Trivandrum, we lost compression (ever feel >like a balloon that's being blown up?), the yellow masks >dropped down, and the airplane dropped 25,000 feet in one >minute!!! Yikes! First they told us nothing. Then they >finally told us we would divert to Kuala Lumpur, then after >an hour to get there, they told us that we'd go on back to >Singapore "where there are better landing facilities and >better mechanics to fix the plane." Did that mean we'd >have a crash landing? We didn't know. It was a very tense >two hours, as we literally did not know if we would make >it or not. The air-conditioning was off and the plane grew >very hot. > >After we did indeed make it, I tried with my feeble grasp of Asian >geography to figure out a way (any way!) I could get back >to the west coast without flying! Um, let's see...I could go up the >Malay peninsula, through Burma and China to Russia and >across the Bering straights to Alaska and down! But I >figured by the time I did all that (and encountered who >knows what on the way) my vacation would be over and I still >wouldn't have made it to India! So three days later, I took two >of my flying tranquilizers and with ashen face (so I was told) >boarded a second plane to Trivandrum, having been >a guest of Air India in Singapore for three days. > >When we arrived at the ashram, it was "all over" that a >radio station had actually announced that our troubled >aircraft had crashed, but that Amma, when told of it by >a brahmachari, had said, "Listen to how he is talking! >That plane has landed safely--my children were on it!" > >Now, with the sad news that an aircraft with a similar >problem has just crashed, I am grateful once more to >Amma for saving our skins. I'm also still working on >getting over my fear of flying, which, perhaps understandably, >intensified after this little adventure. > >Nervous, but working on it, >Jyotsna > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... "There's a deep wound in people-that they have been so cut off from thesource of their being, their mother, their Earth Mother." ~Francis Story Talbott II (Medicine Story), WAMPANOAG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 on 8/15/05 2:28 PM, Devi's Daughter at devi.daughter wrote: > Thanks, Jyotsna, for sharing that story experience! I was laughing in > parts cause I know just how you felt. Have done the same -- including > the tranquilizers to fly without anxiety. My life long dream had been > to go to Africa and I finally managed to do it only because I couldn't > figure a way to go any other way--ship was out! Now as much as I want > to go to India, especially to see Mother, I see this situation coming up > again! Well, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it! If you're not afraid to die, you're not afraid to fly. I think a plane crash would be one of the best ways to go. Not the kind where you go off the runway and burn, but the slamming into a mountain kind. Nice and sudden. Much better than cancer or even drowning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Rick wrote" If you're not afraid to die, you're not afraid to fly. I think a plane crash would be one of the best ways to go. Not the kind where you go off the runway and burn, but the slamming into a mountain kind. Nice and sudden. Much better than cancer or even drowning. Aum Amriteshwariyea Namah, I think the fear, not death, is the issue. It's nice to be philosophical about death, but how many are really able to be that way? I have heard that there is also some kind of negative aspect to dying violently. Does anyone know about this? I don't think it's going to be a big deal for the universe when I die, but it will probably be a big deal for me, if I still have a separate identity at that time-ha, ha. It doesn't matter if I die, but it does matter to me if I'm scared when that happens. Amma told me once that She felt my fear of flying would go away. I do think I'm getting "better," but another incident like the one over the Indian Ocean and I could be a basket case again. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 namah shivaya Jyotsna I read about a similar ( same? ) plane flight in an article written by Karuna Poole. Was it the same flight? In any case Amma's answer " the plane did not crash, my children were on it" is so beautiful. bala "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: Rick wrote" If you're not afraid to die, you're not afraid to fly. I think a plane crash would be one of the best ways to go. Not the kind where you go off the runway and burn, but the slamming into a mountain kind. Nice and sudden. Much better than cancer or even drowning. Aum Amriteshwariyea Namah, I think the fear, not death, is the issue. It's nice to be philosophical about death, but how many are really able to be that way? I have heard that there is also some kind of negative aspect to dying violently. Does anyone know about this? I don't think it's going to be a big deal for the universe when I die, but it will probably be a big deal for me, if I still have a separate identity at that time-ha, ha. It doesn't matter if I die, but it does matter to me if I'm scared when that happens. Amma told me once that She felt my fear of flying would go away. I do think I'm getting "better," but another incident like the one over the Indian Ocean and I could be a basket case again. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 on 8/15/05 5:08 PM, balakrishnan Shankar at balakrishnan_sh wrote: > namah shivaya Jyotsna > > I read about a similar ( same? ) plane flight in an article written by > Karuna Poole. Was it the same flight? In any case Amma's answer " the plane > did not crash, my children were on it" is so beautiful. How many Amma devotees were on the plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Ohhhhhhhh, Br. Rick! I don't know if I think that! Slamming into a mountain? Uh, no thanks! But that reminds me of one of my friends who always said in her lyrical and lovely Mexican accent when I asked if she wasn't afraid to fly, "Baby, I will not die one second before my time!" Rick Archer wrote: >on 8/15/05 2:28 PM, Devi's Daughter at devi.daughter wrote: > > > >>Thanks, Jyotsna, for sharing that story experience! I was laughing in >>parts cause I know just how you felt. Have done the same -- including >>the tranquilizers to fly without anxiety. My life long dream had been >>to go to Africa and I finally managed to do it only because I couldn't >>figure a way to go any other way--ship was out! Now as much as I want >>to go to India, especially to see Mother, I see this situation coming up >>again! Well, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it! >> >> > >If you're not afraid to die, you're not afraid to fly. I think a plane crash >would be one of the best ways to go. Not the kind where you go off the >runway and burn, but the slamming into a mountain kind. Nice and sudden. >Much better than cancer or even drowning. > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... Solve the problems that life sets before you, and you will find that solving them contributes to your inner growth.~Peace Pilgrim % We have borne everything patiently for this long time. ~JOSEPH BRANT - MOHAWK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 on 8/15/05 5:41 PM, Devi's Daughter at devi.daughter wrote: > Ohhhhhhhh, Br. Rick! I don't know if I think that! Slamming into a > mountain? Uh, no thanks! But that reminds me of one of my friends who > always said in her lyrical and lovely Mexican accent when I asked if she > wasn't afraid to fly, "Baby, I will not die one second before my time!" I'm not saying I wouldn't be scared. Just that a quick death sounds better to me than lying in a hospital bed on morphine for months on end. BTW, lest anyone think this is a morbid topic, contemplating death is a common spiritual practice (http://www.buddhamuseum.com/noble-truth-netsuke.html, meditating in cremation grounds, etc.). In Boston this summer Amma spoke of the value of learning to welcome death as a friend in order to get over our fear of it. This was in response to a question about terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Namah Shivaya, Bala, Yes, it was the same flight. There were a total of seven devotees on board. As we flew back to Singapore "low and slow" at 10,000 feet, one of our devotees asked one of the flight stewards if he had a fishing line he (S) could borrow. I later asked a pilot about the 10,000 foot level, and he said, "Oh yeah, you can see individual waves at 10,000 feet!" Being phobic, I myself didn't dare look out the window. Yes, Amma's foreknowledge and reply were wonderful. Jai Ma, Jyotsna balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: namah shivaya Jyotsna I read about a similar ( same? ) plane flight in an article written by Karuna Poole. Was it the same flight? In any case Amma's answer " the plane did not crash, my children were on it" is so beautiful. bala "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: Rick wrote" If you're not afraid to die, you're not afraid to fly. I think a plane crash would be one of the best ways to go. Not the kind where you go off the runway and burn, but the slamming into a mountain kind. Nice and sudden. Much better than cancer or even drowning. Aum Amriteshwariyea Namah, I think the fear, not death, is the issue. It's nice to be philosophical about death, but how many are really able to be that way? I have heard that there is also some kind of negative aspect to dying violently. Does anyone know about this? I don't think it's going to be a big deal for the universe when I die, but it will probably be a big deal for me, if I still have a separate identity at that time-ha, ha. It doesn't matter if I die, but it does matter to me if I'm scared when that happens. Amma told me once that She felt my fear of flying would go away. I do think I'm getting "better," but another incident like the one over the Indian Ocean and I could be a basket case again. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Or as a dear, sweet old Christian lady I met on a flight said, "I told my sister that if anything happens, she should know that it was all in God's good divine plan." J. Rick Archer <rick wrote: on 8/15/05 5:41 PM, Devi's Daughter at devi.daughter wrote: > Ohhhhhhhh, Br. Rick! I don't know if I think that! Slamming into a > mountain? Uh, no thanks! But that reminds me of one of my friends who > always said in her lyrical and lovely Mexican accent when I asked if she > wasn't afraid to fly, "Baby, I will not die one second before my time!" I'm not saying I wouldn't be scared. Just that a quick death sounds better to me than lying in a hospital bed on morphine for months on end. BTW, lest anyone think this is a morbid topic, contemplating death is a common spiritual practice (http://www.buddhamuseum.com/noble-truth-netsuke.html, meditating in cremation grounds, etc.). In Boston this summer Amma spoke of the value of learning to welcome death as a friend in order to get over our fear of it. This was in response to a question about terrorism. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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