To Jyotsna: Karunamayi Question to Swami Ramakrishnananda

[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotsna:

 

I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints when they tour

Northern California. Am not interested in finding another Guru. Amma is the

one for me and I do not want any other. However I would like to enjoy other

Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual teachings. I make a firm distinction,

 

Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be Spiritual Teachers

they being not in my lineage, yet they have something to offer to the Path.

 

Jyotsna wrote:

 

"Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

 

Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami Ramakrishnanandaji.

What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri Karunamayi? Did you mean as one

of Amma's many faces?

 

Please enlarge on this.

 

Thank you.

 

GeorgeSon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Georgeson,

 

First of all, I'm not sure that I am the one to answer your question

authoritatively. I prefer that you ask Dayamrita Swami or someone

else more highly placed than myself, such as Steve Schmidt, etc.

They might know what Amma's policy is, both generally and

specifically. Perhaps there are some she approves of and others

that she doesn't. I don't know.

 

I do know there was a devotee on the east coast about 8 or 9 years

ago who believed he was enlightened and who gathered a number

of Amma devotees around himself regularly. One of them told me

it was "just like" being with Amma. After a couple of years of this,

Amma apparently told this man (who still sometimes came to see

Her) that he was not enlightened and shouldn't be representing

himself that way. He obeyed, (I think) and I still see him at east

coast programs.

 

As far as the satsang with Ramakrishna all those ten years ago I

can only tell you what I recall. I think that since a satsang

leader (at the time) had told everyone that Amma had sent this

woman, someone else (not myself) who was perhaps either

dubious or confused asked if Amma had indeed sent "this woman."

(I used the shorthand of her name in my earlier post.) Sw. RK

was very clear that the answer was no. He sort of joked a little

bit, saying why would Amma send "this woman" when she was

here Herself and also had monks at her disposal.

 

As a mood lightener (hopefully) I will recount a strange and

funny Amma dream I had once. Amma suddenly turned

full face to me and wrinkled her nose in mock (?) distaste

and said "Oohhhh, (woman guru's name) is sooo UGLY!"

No, it wasn't Karunamayi. The woman she named, I had

never seen, so that sure sent me scurrying to the internet

to see a picture of her! I still think of it as a very funny dream.

Naturally, I won't be going to see this person, but then I

wouldn't have been doing so anyway. Like Amma is in person,

this dream was just another one of those inexplicable

occurences. I barely knew this woman existed!

 

Love,

Jyotsna

 

 

 

GeorgeSon <leokomor wrote:

Dear Jyotsna:

 

I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints when they tour

Northern California. Am not interested in finding another Guru. Amma is the

one for me and I do not want any other. However I would like to enjoy other

Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual teachings. I make a firm distinction,

 

Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be Spiritual Teachers

they being not in my lineage, yet they have something to offer to the Path.

 

Jyotsna wrote:

 

"Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

 

Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami Ramakrishnanandaji.

What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri Karunamayi? Did you mean as one

of Amma's many faces?

 

Please enlarge on this.

 

Thank you.

 

GeorgeSon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jyotsna:

 

I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

 

My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

 

Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

surrogate for Amma?

 

For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended by

all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher to

fill those gaps?

 

Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

 

With Wonder,

 

GeorgeSon

 

Ammachi, GeorgeSon <leokomor> wrote:

> Dear Jyotsna:

>

> I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints when

they tour Northern California. Am not interested in finding another

Guru. Amma is the one for me and I do not want any other. However I

would like to enjoy other Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual

teachings. I make a firm distinction,

>

> Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

> Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be

Spiritual Teachers they being not in my lineage, yet they have

something to offer to the Path.

>

> Jyotsna wrote:

>

> "Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

> Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

> no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

> sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

>

> Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami

Ramakrishnanandaji. What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri

Karunamayi? Did you mean as one of Amma's many faces?

>

> Please enlarge on this.

>

> Thank you.

>

> GeorgeSon

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

[Guest guest]

Georgeson,

 

If your mother is travelling for a few months every year, can someone else just

"be" your mother in the interim?

 

did the gopis say " oh Krishna has left us for mathura.. lets find a

substitute"?

 

bala

 

leokomor <leokomor wrote:

Dear Jyotsna:

 

I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

 

My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

 

Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

surrogate for Amma?

 

For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended by

all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher to

fill those gaps?

 

Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

 

With Wonder,

 

GeorgeSon

 

Ammachi, GeorgeSon <leokomor> wrote:

> Dear Jyotsna:

>

> I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints when

they tour Northern California. Am not interested in finding another

Guru. Amma is the one for me and I do not want any other. However I

would like to enjoy other Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual

teachings. I make a firm distinction,

>

> Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

> Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be

Spiritual Teachers they being not in my lineage, yet they have

something to offer to the Path.

>

> Jyotsna wrote:

>

> "Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

> Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

> no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

> sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

>

> Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami

Ramakrishnanandaji. What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri

Karunamayi? Did you mean as one of Amma's many faces?

>

> Please enlarge on this.

>

> Thank you.

>

> GeorgeSon

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Georgeson,

 

Also, as a long-term Yogananda devotee, I recall that Yogananda told a

disciple, "Keep company with the Guru." The disciple asked, "What

about when I'm alone?" Master replied, "Am I not always with you?"

 

Likewise, Amma has said that every thought we have goes through

Her. When we were on that airplane she apparently knew all about it.

For me, no one else can "substiture" for her, though I attend local

SRF (Yogananda) meetings because I can meditate there. Amma

told me personally that She and Yogananda are one. Our local

satsang does not "like" meditation, so this devotee bee has to go

where that honey is.

 

Sincerely,

Jyotsna

 

 

 

 

 

balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote:

Georgeson,

 

If your mother is travelling for a few months every year, can someone else just

"be" your mother in the interim?

 

did the gopis say " oh Krishna has left us for mathura.. lets find a

substitute"?

 

bala

 

leokomor <leokomor wrote:

Dear Jyotsna:

 

I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

 

My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

 

Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

surrogate for Amma?

 

For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended by

all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher to

fill those gaps?

 

Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

 

With Wonder,

 

GeorgeSon

 

Ammachi, GeorgeSon <leokomor> wrote:

> Dear Jyotsna:

>

> I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints when

they tour Northern California. Am not interested in finding another

Guru. Amma is the one for me and I do not want any other. However I

would like to enjoy other Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual

teachings. I make a firm distinction,

>

> Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

> Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be

Spiritual Teachers they being not in my lineage, yet they have

something to offer to the Path.

>

> Jyotsna wrote:

>

> "Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

> Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

> no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

> sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

>

> Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami

Ramakrishnanandaji. What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri

Karunamayi? Did you mean as one of Amma's many faces?

>

> Please enlarge on this.

>

> Thank you.

>

> GeorgeSon

>

> Start your day with - make it your home page

>

>

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I'm with you on that one, George. I don't see a problem with it at

all. When I attended church, I used to enjoy when other ministers came

to speak, or special programs with people of knowledge were offered. I

still utilize my discretion and discrimination. Only surrender to Mother.

 

leokomor wrote:

 

>Dear Jyotsna:

>

>I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

>

>My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

>Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

>

>Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

>surrogate for Amma?

>

>For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

>often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended by

>all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher to

>fill those gaps?

>

>Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

>

>With Wonder,

>

>

 

--

Be Love,

Egyirba (Berijoy)

http://www.egyirba.net

 

 

-=-=-

.... it is easier to preach ten sermons than it is to live one.

[Guest guest]

Hi Georgeson,

 

I wholeheartedly agree. Holy company is indeed recommended by all our

sacred texts. Visiting other saints in no way constitutes being

unfaithful to one's guru. I always visit Karunamayi Amma, she is a

saint on par with Amma, though I consider Amma my guru.

 

Some years ago I asked Karunamayi amma to initiate me in a mantra

(she does not do this nowadays), I felt this way I could make rapid

progress in my sadhana. She did not initiate me but said that she

will bless me to reach my aim. By a strange quirk of fate, I went to

Amma for mantra diksha some time later. The mantra that I had asked

for was different from what I had asked Karunamayi amma. I had a

discussion with Amma during Devi bhava that went for almost half an

hour (with myriad other things happening around us as you are all

aware during DB)- the upshot was that Amma said she will not initiate

me in this mantra (reasons I cannot disclose), but will initiate me

in another mantra. It turned out that this was the VERY MANTRA THAT I

HAD ASKED KARUNAMAYI AMMA, WHICH KARUNAMAYI AMMA HAD REFUSED TO

INITATE ME BUT SAID WILL BLESS ME TO REACH MY AIM. I feel that both

the Ammas work together.

 

Best wishes,

-yogaman

 

Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote:

> Dear Jyotsna:

>

> I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

>

> My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

> Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

>

> Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

> surrogate for Amma?

>

> For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

> often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended

by

> all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher to

> fill those gaps?

>

> Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

>

> With Wonder,

>

> GeorgeSon

>

> Ammachi, GeorgeSon <leokomor> wrote:

> > Dear Jyotsna:

> >

> > I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints

when

> they tour Northern California. Am not interested in finding

another

> Guru. Amma is the one for me and I do not want any other. However

I

> would like to enjoy other Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual

> teachings. I make a firm distinction,

> >

> > Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

> > Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be

> Spiritual Teachers they being not in my lineage, yet they have

> something to offer to the Path.

> >

> > Jyotsna wrote:

> >

> > "Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

> > Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

> > no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

> > sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

> >

> > Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami

> Ramakrishnanandaji. What did you mean by Amma may have "sent" Sri

> Karunamayi? Did you mean as one of Amma's many faces?

> >

> > Please enlarge on this.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > GeorgeSon

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Start your day with - make it your home page

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

wow! great story!

 

childofdevi wrote:

 

>Hi Georgeson,

>

>I wholeheartedly agree. Holy company is indeed recommended by all our

>sacred texts. Visiting other saints in no way constitutes being

>unfaithful to one's guru. I always visit Karunamayi Amma, she is a

>saint on par with Amma, though I consider Amma my guru.

>

 

--

Be Love,

Egyirba (Berijoy)

http://www.egyirba.net

 

 

-=-=-

.... "Listen to Old People!"

[Guest guest]

Dear GeorgeSonji,

My husband was pondering the question of whether he should be in the

company of saints other than Mother.

When he went for darshan he asked Mother the question inwardly. Almost

immediately Mother answered his question by creating circumstances in

which he was given the answer.

So you can always do this. Ask Mother. She may revel the answer to you

in ways you don't expect. After all,

She is always with you.

And my advice, for what is is worth, is to do what feels right.

In Mother's Love,

Prasadini

[Guest guest]

Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi>

wrote:

 

"I feel that both the Ammas work together."

 

i bow to you, Yogaman, you truly are "A Child of Devi"!

Your sister dissolving in Maa's Love,

muktimaa

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Hi Georgeson,

>

> I wholeheartedly agree. Holy company is indeed recommended by all

our

> sacred texts. Visiting other saints in no way constitutes being

> unfaithful to one's guru. I always visit Karunamayi Amma, she is a

> saint on par with Amma, though I consider Amma my guru.

>

> Some years ago I asked Karunamayi amma to initiate me in a mantra

> (she does not do this nowadays), I felt this way I could make rapid

> progress in my sadhana. She did not initiate me but said that she

> will bless me to reach my aim. By a strange quirk of fate, I went

to

> Amma for mantra diksha some time later. The mantra that I had asked

> for was different from what I had asked Karunamayi amma. I had a

> discussion with Amma during Devi bhava that went for almost half an

> hour (with myriad other things happening around us as you are all

> aware during DB)- the upshot was that Amma said she will not

initiate

> me in this mantra (reasons I cannot disclose), but will initiate me

> in another mantra. It turned out that this was the VERY MANTRA THAT

I

> HAD ASKED KARUNAMAYI AMMA, WHICH KARUNAMAYI AMMA HAD REFUSED TO

> INITATE ME BUT SAID WILL BLESS ME TO REACH MY AIM. I feel that both

> the Ammas work together.

>

> Best wishes,

> -yogaman

>

> Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote:

> > Dear Jyotsna:

> >

> > I seriously appreciate your comprehensive answer.

> >

> > My question was faulty. Indeed you were not the person who asked

> > Swami RK about Sri Karunamayi.

> >

> > Is there something to the notion that another "guru" can be a

> > surrogate for Amma?

> >

> > For example, let us face it, we have a traveling Guru. There are

> > often six month gaps in seeing Amma. Holy Company is recommended

> by

> > all religions. Can one not benefit by another Spiritual Teacher

to

> > fill those gaps?

> >

> > Please Groupsters don't sue me for blasphemy. Just kidding.

> >

> > With Wonder,

> >

> > GeorgeSon

> >

> > Ammachi, GeorgeSon <leokomor> wrote:

> > > Dear Jyotsna:

> > >

> > > I am currently wrestling with the idea of seeing other Saints

> when

> > they tour Northern California. Am not interested in finding

> another

> > Guru. Amma is the one for me and I do not want any other.

However

> I

> > would like to enjoy other Mahatma's to imbibe in their spiritual

> > teachings. I make a firm distinction,

> > >

> > > Amma is Guru. (In my view Guru is God)

> > > Other Saints (Mahatmas currently alive on this planet) can be

> > Spiritual Teachers they being not in my lineage, yet they have

> > something to offer to the Path.

> > >

> > > Jyotsna wrote:

> > >

> > > "Later that year Swami Ramakrishna was in town for a retreat.

> > > Someone asked him if Amma had sent Karunamayi. He said

> > > no, that Amma was here for us Herself, and that when She

> > > sent someone it was one of her monks like himself."

> > >

> > > Jyotsna please help me understand your quesion to Swami

> > Ramakrishnanandaji. What did you mean by Amma may have "sent"

Sri

> > Karunamayi? Did you mean as one of Amma's many faces?

> > >

> > > Please enlarge on this.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > GeorgeSon

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Start your day with - make it your home page

> > >

> > >