Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Namah Shivayah, Hard to believe an Amma devotee believes in the death penalty? We are ALL under the death penalty here, in case we haven't noticed. Mr. William's victims recieved theirs suddenly 25 years ago. Mr. Williams received his recently. Mine and yours are in the future. In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya. Any way you look at it modern day criminals get more "life penalty" than the people whose lives they take. In Mr. William's case, it was 25 more years. Were there 2 or 4 victims? That makes either 50 or 100 years. I doubt that Amma would have blown them away either. But Amma says that she doesn't grieve for people who die, as they go to the Paramatman. So, is life or death better? Who knows? We all die, so presumably it's not too bad. Sorry to be so blunt, Jyotsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 on 12/14/05 4:56 PM, E. Lamb at jyotsna2 wrote: > We all die, so presumably it's not too bad. > Many of those who have near death experiences say they didn't want to come back and they're looking forward to the real thing. -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 Skype: Rick_Archer http://searchsummit.com rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > > Namah Shivayah, > > In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and > here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya. > > Sorry to be so blunt, > Jyotsna Hi Jyotsna, What does this mean? I am taking it literally, so step in and tell me if I got it wrong. and if the literal statement is true, do you mind sharing details? Offline sharing is also fine. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Namah Shivayah, I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind of penalty is it to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison would be more of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as punishment....they are not around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show em. What is it based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future incarnations with possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes no sense. I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that causes the death penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the body"...then what penalty would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they can stand as indicators for the collective consciousness of our world. It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical body. Jesus was very aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to merge with God. Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most important part of the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it reminded me of the parallel between this and things like the death penalty. Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies, there will always be things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means when she says that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all suffering. Without the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty serve...or murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless. Jai Ma! Ananthasree http://www.ammaschildren.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Well the government is secular, and therefore the end of life is and has been considered the ultimate punishment (Even in ancient cultures, execution has always been the final method). Though I think today they could come to the conclusion that lifetime imprisonment is even worse. - "Ananthasree" <ananthasree <Ammachi> Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:19 PM Re: "Death Penalty" > Namah Shivayah, > > I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What > kind of penalty is it > to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison > would be more > of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as > punishment....they are not > around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show > em. What is it > based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future > incarnations with > possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes > no sense. > > I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that > causes the death > penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the > body"...then what penalty > would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they > can stand as > indicators for the collective consciousness of our world. > > It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical > body. Jesus was very > aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to > merge with God. > Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most > important part of > the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it > reminded me of the > parallel between this and things like the death penalty. > > Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies, > there will always be > things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means > when she says > that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all > suffering. Without > the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty > serve...or > murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless. > > Jai Ma! > > Ananthasree > > http://www.ammaschildren.com Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 i don't get it either. you kill someone to show that killing is wrong <deterrent> go figure... Ananthasree wrote: > Namah Shivayah, > > I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind of penalty is it > to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison would be more > of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as punishment....they are not > around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show em. What is it > based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future incarnations with > possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes no sense. -- "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu" Be Love, Egyirba http://www.egyirba.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 IT ALL DEPENDS ON A PERSONS DISPOSTION.SOME OF MOTHERS CHILDREN AND ALSO CHRISTIANS WHO ARE ALSO AMMAS CHILDREN NEED TO FOCUS ON A FORM(BODY).IT HELPS TO PUT YOUR ATTENTION THERE ,DISTRACTING YOU FROM ALL OF THE DISTRACTIONS OF THE WORLD.WE ARE ALL ON DIFFERENT LEVELS .NON BETTER ,NON WORSE.WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO STAY STUCK ON THE PHYSICAL BODY ,HOWEVER IT IS STILL GROWTH AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.THE MORE WE PARTICIPATE IN THE SPIRTUAL PRACTICES ,THE GREATER OUR AWARENESS BECOMES AS FAR AS AMMA AS THE FORMLESS PURE-CONSCIOUSNESS IS CONCERNED. AMMA HAS SAID THAT ATTACHMENT TO THE GURUS FORM IS ATTACHMENT TO GOD AND ATTACHMENT TO GOD IS DETACHMENT FROM THE WORLD. SHE HAS ALSO SAID THAT THINKING THAT SHE IS ONLY THE BODY CAN CAUSE ONE TO SUFFER.SHE SPEAKS ABOUT THIS ON TWO DIFFEREBNT OCCASIONS TO TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. AS FAR AS KILLING GOES. AMMA HAS SAID THAT WE DONT CREATE LIFE SO WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE LIFE. AND AS FAR AS JESUS GOES.THESE PEOPLE DONT HAVE AND ENLIGHTENED BEING IN FRONT OF THEM.THEY HAVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS ON THE PULPIT THAT ARE LIVING IN IGNORANCE THEMSELVES,BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE MAKING SOME EFFORT TO PURSUE TRUTH.AS YOU SAID THEY ARE ON THE JOURNEY AS WE ALL ARE AND THAT IS WHAT REALLY COUNTS. AMMA HAS SAID THAT IT IS NOT THE RESOLVE OF THE DIVINE FOR EVERYONE TO BE ENLIGHTENED.IF IT WAS ,EVERYONE WOULD BE.JUST THINK OF HOW DRY OUR EXISTENCE WOULD BE IF WE DIDNT HAVE THE ASPIRATION TO SAVE THIS WORLD.THE WORLD IS SAVED WHEN YOU ARE SAVED.THE WORLD BECOMES ENLIGHTENED WHEN WE BECOME ENLIGHTNED.THIS WORLD WILL BE SAVED THROUGH OUR HEARTS.WHEN WE CAN SEE EVERYONE AS DIVINE REGARDLESS OF THE FLUCTUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THEN THIS WORLD WILL BE SAVED. AMMA HAS ALSO SAID THAT SHE BOWS TO OUR ESSENCE NOT OUR EGOS.ISNT IT A DIVINE THOUGHT THAT EVEN IN THE MOST CRUEL PERSON AMMA CAN STILL SEE PASSED THAT TO THE DIVINE.THAT IS A GREAT GOAL TO STRIVE FOR. ALL THE MAHATMAS SAY THE SAME THING."SEE GOD IN EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.THAT AWARENESS DOESNT TAKE PLACE IN THE WORLD BUT IN OUR VERY OWN HEARTS.AMMMAAMMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAMMMAAAAAAAAAAALOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE MAAAAAAAAAA.............. >"Ananthasree" <ananthasree >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: "Death Penalty" >Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:19:02 -0000 > >Namah Shivayah, > >I never really understood the reasoning behind the death penalty. What kind >of penalty is it >to be released from the body? I would think that being alive and in prison >would be more >of a penalty. It really doesn't make sense to kill someone as >punishment....they are not >around and in the body anymore to even suffer the punishment. That'll show >em. What is it >based on? Certainly there may be karmic implications and future >incarnations with >possibly karma to pay for the crimes....but the death penalty itself makes >no sense. > >I think it is our worlds obsession with the physical body and the ego that >causes the death >penalty to exist at all. If there were not the idea that "we are the >body"...then what penalty >would there be? When we look at these archaic forms of punishment, they can >stand as >indicators for the collective consciousness of our world. > >It is the same way in that many obsess on the death of Jesus' physical >body. Jesus was very >aware that he was not the body, and that when he left it, he was off to >merge with God. >Yet, many still cling to the death of Jesus body as if that were the most >important part of >the journey. I was just reading about this in The Mystic Christ and it >reminded me of the >parallel between this and things like the death penalty. > >Until we collectively get over the idea that we are just fleshy bodies, >there will always be >things like the death penalty, war, murder etc. This is what Amma means >when she says >that our attachment to the "I" and the physical body is the cause of all >suffering. Without >the idea that we are only the body, what purpose would the death penalty >serve...or >murder....or war...? It would all be rendered obsolete and senseless. > >Jai Ma! > >Ananthasree > >http://www.ammaschildren.com > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 IN INDIGINOUS CULTURES ALL OVER THE WORLD ,IT IS TRUE THAT DEATH IS NOTHING BUT A GATE INTO A GREATER EXISISTENCE.YOU ARE ALSO TRUE WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE DIVINE DOESNT GRIEVE,AMMAs son believes this as well.AMMAS sons only suggestion is that you pick up the video tape and check out ,the way AMMA poured HE ENTIRE BEING INTO EXPERIENCING THE PAIN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LOST LOVED ONES AND WERE SUFFERING THROUGH THE TSUNAMI. AMMA SAYS THAT A GREAT SOUL CAN POUR THERE ENTIRE BEING INTO A SITUATION AND THEN DETACH AT WILL. ITS EASY TO SAY THAT ITS ALL MAYA,BUT TO TO OTHERS IT IS REAL AND THAT IS WHERE COMPASSION COMES IN. AMMA SAYS "SHE RENOUNCED EVERYTHING BUT THE LOVE OF HER CHILDREN."IT IS HER LOVE FOR US THAT KEEPS HER DOWN ON THIS PLANE. JESUS SAYS"GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON(AN INCARNATION". WE SAY THAT IT IS ALL MAYA,BUT IS IT INTELLECT, OR TRUE EXPERIENCE?AMMA DOESNT GRIEVE ,BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?THAT JUST MEANS THAT WE HAVE MISSED THE POINT.THE POINT IS AND IS ALWAYS THE MAIN POINT ,HOW CAN WE LOVE AND SERVE. AMMA SAYS THAT MAYA(ILLUSION)DOESNT MEAN THAT WHEN WE BECOME ENLIGHTENED THAT THE WORLD IS GOING TO DISAPEAR.AMMA SAYS THAT HOW WE PERCIEVE IT WILL CHANGE. IT IS EASY TO MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE "LIFE OR DEATH,WHO NOWS WHICH ONE IS BETTER".BUT WILL YOU BE THAT DETACHED WHEN IT IS SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU.DETACHMENT IS A STATE OF BEING,IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS EXPRESSED THROUGH OUR INTELLECTS.WE SHOULD CONSTANTLY TRY TO PUT OURSELVES IN THE SHOES OF OTHERS.THAT IS WHAT AMMAs son believes and to this child ,that is greater then all of the philosophical stuff.OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. >"E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 >Ammachi >Ammachi > "Death Penalty" >Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:56:55 -0800 (PST) > >Namah Shivayah, > > Hard to believe an Amma devotee believes in the death penalty? > We are ALL under the death penalty here, in case we haven't > noticed. Mr. William's victims recieved theirs suddenly 25 years > ago. Mr. Williams received his recently. Mine and yours are > in the future. In a past life I was hanged as a political prisoner and > here I am back annoying people in this life! It's all maya. > > Any way you look > at it modern day criminals get more "life penalty" than the > people whose lives they take. In Mr. William's case, it was > 25 more years. Were there 2 or 4 victims? That makes > either 50 or 100 years. I doubt that Amma would have blown them > away either. But Amma says that she doesn't grieve for people > who die, as they go to the Paramatman. So, is life or death better? > Who knows? We all die, so presumably it's not too bad. > > Sorry to be so blunt, > Jyotsna > > > > _______________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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