Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much further back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and beyond! There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization that was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian tradition exist in the native american traditions! It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the modern timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> wrote: > > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha Aum Namah Shivaya > Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in sanskrit as > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than 5000 > years so it is called as mother of all religions > > Aum Amma, > Amma's gururaj > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Namah Shivaya. How interesting that Chris¹s message below came in one minute before the message I sent. Talk about same wave length! This is exactly what the site I posted is saying! Except it¹s much less vague than anything I¹ve seen up until now. The author of the book (who is a Brazilian scientist) and others sharing his perspective refer to Tamil wisdom regarding this ancient civilization. Amma is giving this child so many new understanding from this site and other research i¹ve done from it. Everything from IAM meditation to issues of racism. I hope some of you will take the time to look at this and let me know what you think (off list is fine, but I do feel it¹s very relevant to Amma). with gratitude, premarupa > Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much further > back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and > beyond! > > There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization that > was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian tradition > exist in the native american traditions! > > It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind > somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the modern > timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" > > > Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> > wrote: >> > >> > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha Aum Namah Shivaya >> > Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in sanskrit as >> > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than 5000 >> > years so it is called as mother of all religions >> > >> > Aum Amma, >> > Amma's gururaj >> > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > </gads?t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandam > ayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYRmPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi <Ammachi> " on the > web. > * > * > * Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > * > * Terms of Service > <> . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 AMMAs son believes that ALL religions have their origin in ETERNITY.its just like the the OM chant.we give credit to THE om chant being discovered through the SILENCE of the ancient sages meditation,however, the OM was already there.if you research the sound of the EARTH and you can do this on line,you will hear OM. the OM as well as the ETERNAL RELIGION WAS ALREADY THERE.HINDUISM MAY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TERMS STAMPED ON IT,HOWEVER THE ETERNAL RELIGION OF LOVES origin is IN your HEART. CHRISTIANS SAY THAT CHRIST WAS THERE IN THE BEGGINING AND EVEN BEFORE THAT."BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD" IS HOW THEY TERM IT. ISLAM CLAIMS TO BE THE RELIGION OF PEACE.WHAT IS THE BIRTHDATE OF PEACE?PEACE IS SILENCE AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN. ALL RELIGONS CAME OUT OF ETERNITY.EVERYONE MAKES THE CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGON WAS FIRST, OR IS THE BEST, OR THE GREATEST TRUTH ETC. THE GOAL IS TO GO BEYOND THAT AND TAP INTO THE ESSENCE THAT IS UNDERNEATH ALL OF IT. WHEN THIS HAPPENS THE ARGUEMENT OF WHOSE IS BEST, OR FIRST, OR WHATEVER CEASES.IN THE ESSENCE IS WHERE THE INQUIRY STOPS. THERE ARE MANY SCHOLARS THAT SAY THAT ANCIENT EGYPT HAS THE OLDEST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ON THE PLANET.THERE ARE SOME THAT SAY ANCIENT BABYLON.THEN OFCOURSE THERE ARE ALL THE OTHER PERSPECTIVES.THEY HAVE DUG UP CIVILIZATIONS IN AFRICA THAT DATE EVEN BEYOND 20,000 THOUSAND YEARS. SOME CALL INDIA THE MOTHERLAND.SOME SAY AFRICA.THIS IS ALL RELATIVE STUFF FOR THE SCHOLAR AND THE HISTORIAN,HOWEVER, IT HAS LITTLE OR NO IMPORTANCE TO THE" SPIRITUAL SEEKER." IN ALL LOVE ,YOU ARE LOVE .AMMA IS LOVE .YOU ARE LOVE.WE ARE LOVE.i am nothing >"ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003 >Ammachi >Ammachi > Age of hinduism >Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:24:24 -0000 > >Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much further >back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and >beyond! > >There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization that >was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian tradition >exist in the native american traditions! > > It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind >somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the modern >timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" > > >Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> >wrote: > > > > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha Aum Namah Shivaya > > Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in sanskrit as > > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than 5000 > > years so it is called as mother of all religions > > > > Aum Amma, > > Amma's gururaj > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 I'd love to know more about this -- "Artifacts of indian tradition exist in the native american traditions!" Since I have been getting acquainted with my native ancestry, I have noticed some interesting similarities between Asian Indian and Native American culture and religion. For instance, there are stories in both about the earth being lifted out of the waters on the back of a turtle. Kurma is one of the incarnations of Lord Vishnu in the form of a turtle and he lifts the earth up out of the waters. Many native people call the earth Turtle Island because it was rescued by turtle. Also, both Asian Indian and Native Americans use spider and the fact that spider makes a web out of itself to show how God makes the universe out of God only--nothing else. Same animal and same spiritual idea is thus communicated by people thousands of miles and a big ocean apart. When I was studying Choctaw language, there are words in the language that are the same as Sanskrit words and Malayalam words. "Cha" means and in Sanskrit and Choctaw. "Ni" is a personal pronoun in Choctaw as it is in Malayalam. In Malayalam it means "you." In Choctaw it means "I" but it is the same part of speech. There may be others. My vocabulary in Malayalam is extremely minimal so I might miss equivalencies. Anyway, these small and surprising discoveries led me to suspect that the Indians from the East got around a lot more than people expect. But then, there is biological--plant--evidence that Africans came to these continents well before Columbus. Apparently, there are certain vegetables growing in Central and South America which grow only in Africa and whose seeds could not have floated across the ocean. The seeds are not that sturdy. So somebody came here in a boat from Africa and brought those seeds. It's some specific kind of squash I think. Westerners have the nerve to talk in disparaging tones about Indian "mythology" while we ourselves have myths such as that Columbus "discovered" America. Aikya Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> wrote: > > Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much further > back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and > beyond! > > There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization that > was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian tradition > exist in the native american traditions! > > It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind > somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the modern > timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" > > > Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> > wrote: > > > > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha Aum Namah Shivaya > > Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in sanskrit as > > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than 5000 > > years so it is called as mother of all religions > > > > Aum Amma, > > Amma's gururaj > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Dear Aikya, What is your native ancestry? Although I am North American (Polish on my mother's side, Scotch-Irish on my father's) when I first saw photos of the people of Sikkim I felt that they were my people. When I went to Sikkim in 1992, I was welcomed like a long lost child and felt totally at home. I have studied Japanese, Tibetan and Sanskrit (as well as European languages). I am very drawn to languages that incorporate a tradition of spiritual chanting. Why were you drawn to Sanskrit, Malayalam and Choctaw? On Jan 24, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Aikya Param wrote: > I'd love to know more about this -- > > "Artifacts of indian tradition exist in the native american > traditions!" > > Since I have been getting acquainted with my native ancestry, I have > noticed some interesting similarities between Asian Indian and > Native American culture and religion. > > For instance, there are stories in both about the earth being lifted > out of the waters on the back of a turtle. Kurma is one of the > incarnations of Lord Vishnu in the form of a turtle and he lifts the > earth up out of the waters. Many native people call the earth > Turtle Island because it was rescued by turtle. > > Also, both Asian Indian and Native Americans use spider and the fact > that spider makes a web out of itself to show how God makes the > universe out of God only--nothing else. Same animal and same > spiritual idea is thus communicated by people thousands of miles and > a big ocean apart. > > When I was studying Choctaw language, there are words in the > language that are the same as Sanskrit words and Malayalam > words. "Cha" means and in Sanskrit and Choctaw. "Ni" is a personal > pronoun in Choctaw as it is in Malayalam. In Malayalam it > means "you." In Choctaw it means "I" but it is the same part of > speech. There may be others. My vocabulary in Malayalam is > extremely minimal so I might miss equivalencies. > > Anyway, these small and surprising discoveries led me to suspect > that the Indians from the East got around a lot more than people > expect. > > But then, there is biological--plant--evidence that Africans came to > these continents well before Columbus. Apparently, there are > certain vegetables growing in Central and South America which grow > only in Africa and whose seeds could not have floated across the > ocean. The seeds are not that sturdy. So somebody came here in a > boat from Africa and brought those seeds. It's some specific kind > of squash I think. > > Westerners have the nerve to talk in disparaging tones about > Indian "mythology" while we ourselves have myths such as that > Columbus "discovered" America. > > Aikya > > > > Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> > wrote: > > > > Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much > further > > back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and > > beyond! > > > > There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization > that > > was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian > tradition > > exist in the native american traditions! > > > > It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind > > somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the > modern > > timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" > > > > > > Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> > > wrote: > > > > > > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha         Aum Namah Shivaya > > >     Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in > sanskrit as > > > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than > 5000 > > > years so it is called as mother of all religions > > > > > > Aum Amma, > > > Amma's gururaj > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Namah Shivya, I seem to remember many years ago in reading about Shamanism that there were distinct similarities between what the Shamans of South America and Siberia. Too long ago to remember the details. Jai Ma Prasadini Aikya Param wrote: > I'd love to know more about this -- > > "Artifacts of indian tradition exist in the native american > traditions!" > > Since I have been getting acquainted with my native ancestry, I have > noticed some interesting similarities between Asian Indian and > Native American culture and religion. > > For instance, there are stories in both about the earth being lifted > out of the waters on the back of a turtle. Kurma is one of the > incarnations of Lord Vishnu in the form of a turtle and he lifts the > earth up out of the waters. Many native people call the earth > Turtle Island because it was rescued by turtle. > > Also, both Asian Indian and Native Americans use spider and the fact > that spider makes a web out of itself to show how God makes the > universe out of God only--nothing else. Same animal and same > spiritual idea is thus communicated by people thousands of miles and > a big ocean apart. > > When I was studying Choctaw language, there are words in the > language that are the same as Sanskrit words and Malayalam > words. "Cha" means and in Sanskrit and Choctaw. "Ni" is a personal > pronoun in Choctaw as it is in Malayalam. In Malayalam it > means "you." In Choctaw it means "I" but it is the same part of > speech. There may be others. My vocabulary in Malayalam is > extremely minimal so I might miss equivalencies. > > Anyway, these small and surprising discoveries led me to suspect > that the Indians from the East got around a lot more than people > expect. > > But then, there is biological--plant--evidence that Africans came to > these continents well before Columbus. Apparently, there are > certain vegetables growing in Central and South America which grow > only in Africa and whose seeds could not have floated across the > ocean. The seeds are not that sturdy. So somebody came here in a > boat from Africa and brought those seeds. It's some specific kind > of squash I think. > > Westerners have the nerve to talk in disparaging tones about > Indian "mythology" while we ourselves have myths such as that > Columbus "discovered" America. > > Aikya > > > > Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> > wrote: > > > > Some believe that the tradation of Sanatana Dharma goes much > further > > back than western historians believe: even 20,000 years ago and > > beyond! > > > > There is some evidence that there was a world wide civilization > that > > was culturally influenced by hinduism: artifacts of indian > tradition > > exist in the native american traditions! > > > > It may take our archeologists time to get the story of mankind > > somewhat correct, in the meantime I am very sceptical of the > modern > > timelines western historians give to the ascent of "civilization" > > > > > > Ammachi, "mailguru2004" <mailguru2004> > > wrote: > > > > > > Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha Aum Namah Shivaya > > > Hinduism is called Sanatana Dharma where it means in > sanskrit as > > > "Mother of all religions ". Hinduism has a history of more than > 5000 > > > years so it is called as mother of all religions > > > > > > Aum Amma, > > > Amma's gururaj > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > </gads?t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamay\ i&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYRmPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > * > Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote: > > I'd love to know more about this -- > > "Artifacts of indian tradition exist in the native american > traditions!" > ONS All, This past May I went to Bogotá Columbia to study Satyananda Yoga and there was a wonderful ceremony high in the Andes Mountains where we had a Mayan elder perform a traditional fire ceremony, then Swami Niranjanananda lectured telling how the Mayans were called Nagas in India and had the same dress, traditions and even helped Krishna build the capital. Please do not quote me on this as I could barely stay awake during the lecture which is extremely unusual for me especially with something as fascinating as what he was saying. The Swami sort of had me in a spell because he glowed. I know that this sounds crazy and it still does to me but he really did and maybe because he was so glittery, I got so relaxed. Trust me when I say it is very unlike me to have nodded off during a lecture, but I noticed many others did too. Anyway, after he lectured in the afternoon, he preformed a vedic homa under the full moon in May 2005 and evidently this event had been prophesized hundreds? of years before! The whole day floated by in peace and beauty even though getting up the mountain was something going through rows and rows of armed tanks but once to the special area, there was only beautiful Nature. Swami did talk about seeing the same symbology used in the Mayan culture and so the first chance I got I went to the Gold Museum in Bogotá and sure enough, the statues were in Yoga poses and/or doing pranayama. I had been to the Bogotá Gold Museum 25 years ago, but did not know about Yoga then so I missed it until this past spring. I do have some notes someplace but I just moved having had to leave a place I called home for years due to the high cost of living. Yep, the same thing is happening in Bogotá and certainly the Bay Area that used to be home. The swami is going to write a book about this and I think the David Frawley is also going to write about this and has in his book, Gods, Sages and Kings. Another interesting book is Blackfoot Physics. Also a wonderful book written by Swami Niranjanananda is Yoga Darshan and the cover shows his head glowing. Really it was wild to see in person! If interested his website is yogavision.net. I could go on and on with other books and websites, but won't unless anyone wants. I know it sounds pretty crazy but is true to the best I can remember and I do know that just because I was asleep does not mean that the message did not get inside me. In Amma, Deepti.....formerly of San Ramon satsong. And no Deepti does not mean She who sleeps through interesting lectures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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