Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 DEAR THOMAS, LOOK FOR MY COMMENTS( IN CAPS ) BELOW; THANKS Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > > I already know this will be taken the wrong way > (ahhh negativity!!!), > but I'm confused: YES, YOU ARE CONFUSED, WILL PRAY FOR YOU ! PERHAPS, ALL YOUR INTENSE AND DISCIPLINED SADHANA IS PURIFYING YOUR HEART AND AMMA DID SAY THAT THE OPENING OF THE HEART CAN BE VERY PAINFUL. PERHAPS, IT'S THAT PAIN YOU ARE EXPRESSING. DID YOU EVER TRY CRYING? SORRY, WHAT CAN WE DO EXCEPT TO PRAY FOR YOU. SAMARPANA AND I HAD A VERY GOOD CRY THIS MORNING. > > 1. Temba's story, if someone took the time to discriminate, is not > much different than others' "conversion" story in ANY religion. > Conversion isn't a sign of spiritual attainment, just God's/guru's > grace. THE MAIN REASON FOR OUR FEEBLE EFFORTS IS TO GET GOD'S GRACE ! >Like the difference between Swami Nealu and Dayamrita. > Dayamrita's story is one of conversion, like many of the early > swami's, as Sw. Nealu tells in his autobiography of his harsh > treatment by them. LAST SENTENCE IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL, IMHO ! IMHO, ALL THE SWAMIS DID THEIR PREPARTORY WORK IN PREVIOUS LIFE TIMES. IMHO, I LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AS EXTENTIONS OF AMMA. AMMA HAS MANY HELPERS, BESIDES THE SWAMIS/SWAMINIS/BRAHMACHARIES. > > 2. Being inspired to share Amma with others is one thing I think > most of us share. But it sounds like Temba's getting to the > point of > being a "missionary" of sorts. ***Amma doesn't teach this, > and I've > already seen devotees of Amma and of other gurus try to do this (in > contrary to their guru's teachings) in which it really wastes the > aspirants time, making them self-focused, or at least providing a > convenient distraction to one's own growth. In some cases it has > had a negative effect. SAMARPANA ASKED SWAMINI, IF IT IS OK TO GO TO LIBRARIES AND TALK ABOUT AMMA. SWAMINI SAID, AMMA WOULD NEVER ASK FOR SUCH A THING. BUT, IF A DEVOTEE FEELS THAT VERY STRONGLY AND DOES THAT FROM THE HEART WITH AN INNOCENT AND HUMBLE INTENTION/ATTITUDE THEN ONE CAN DO THAT. IMHO, THAT IS THE WAY ALL OF AMMA'S CHARITABLE AND EDUCATIONAL PROJECTS GET STARTED. > > Hey Amarnath, don't get me banned from the Temba list... just > kidding. I know you revere him, but I had to comment. HEY THOMAS, I REVERE THE INNER AMMA IN YOU AS MUCH AS I REVERE THE INNER AMMA IN TEMBA. IT'S JUST THAT TEMBA IS NOT RESISTING THE FLOW OF AMMA'S LOVE THAT IS PRESENT ALL THE TIME AND YOU ARE. I MUST CONFESS I TOO AM RESISTING IT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU. > Tell Temba alot of public libraries have free net service > these days, it's how I surf. GOOD FOR YOU; THANKS FOR THE ADVICE ! > > tom > MAY AMMA'S BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE BE WITH YOU, THOMAS, AMARNATH > Ammachi, "amarnath" <anatol_zinc@> wrote: > > > > om amriteswaryai namaha, > > > > temba is in california meeting with various youth groups. last > meeting > > was at a BOYS CLUB. he said, there were about 80 people including > > local leaders and teachers of non-violence and peace. the walls > were > > covered with many known world leaders like martin luther king, > gandhi, > > etc, etc. > > > > temba presented them with Amma's biography and various Humanitarian > > Books by Amma. some teachers said they would start including Amma's > > teachings in their classes. !!! > > > > temba does not have access to email or much time right now. will be > > nice to get his words when he does have some time. > > > > amma's blessings, > > amarnath > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 AMMAS homeless children come to HER programs in india and that is the norm.over here it APPEARS as if it is something special, when in fact it should be the norm.in india HER FACE is painted on the walls everywhere ,but here it seems as if it is something special when it should be the norm. we all have AMMA and we take it for granted.how did AMMA reach you?does it really matter?ofcourse it doesnt. there are many ships but it is ALL the same trip.we are all moving towards our perfection.the details along the ways are not so important. to all of AMMAs beloved darling children AMMAs sun bows.to the compliments he bows.to the insults he bows.you are ALL forms of AMMA.we are all ,whether or not we realize it,helping each other reach the goal. the insults are just as significant as the compliments.who are we to think that we are beyond being insullted.that is another trip of the ego.AMMAs sun welcomes all of the insults as just as DIVINE as the compliments. either way HER work will continue.our words cannnot stop that.nothing can.the jails and prisons in AMERICA have begun to be flooded with AMMAs presence in AMERICA and so will the ghettos and inner citys. aikya param has informed this child that AMMAs children incarsarated are now requesting their MOTHERS darshan.we think AMMA is only ours .AMMA is the MOTHER of all.LOVE IS THE MOTHER AND FATHER OF ALL. THE NEXT MURAL WILL BE HUGE AND IT IS GOING UP RIGHT SMACK IN THE GHETTO OF CHICAGOS westside.we are about to purchase the paint.we are not trying to convert people.we want people that are suffering to SEE the FACE OF DIVINE LOVE,in order that it may relieve some of their pain. >"amarnath" <anatol_zinc >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: some news from temba ~ ANS FOR TOM >Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:53:03 -0000 > >DEAR THOMAS, LOOK FOR MY COMMENTS( IN CAPS ) BELOW; THANKS > >Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > > > > I already know this will be taken the wrong way > > (ahhh negativity!!!), > but I'm confused: > >YES, YOU ARE CONFUSED, WILL PRAY FOR YOU ! >PERHAPS, ALL YOUR INTENSE AND DISCIPLINED SADHANA IS PURIFYING YOUR >HEART AND AMMA DID SAY THAT THE OPENING OF THE HEART CAN BE VERY >PAINFUL. PERHAPS, IT'S THAT PAIN YOU ARE EXPRESSING. DID YOU EVER TRY >CRYING? SORRY, WHAT CAN WE DO EXCEPT TO PRAY FOR YOU. SAMARPANA AND I >HAD A VERY GOOD CRY THIS MORNING. > > > > > 1. Temba's story, if someone took the time to discriminate, is not > > much different than others' "conversion" story in ANY religion. > > Conversion isn't a sign of spiritual attainment, just God's/guru's > > grace. > >THE MAIN REASON FOR OUR FEEBLE EFFORTS IS TO GET GOD'S GRACE ! > > >Like the difference between Swami Nealu and Dayamrita. > > Dayamrita's story is one of conversion, like many of the early > > swami's, as Sw. Nealu tells in his autobiography of his harsh > > treatment by them. > >LAST SENTENCE IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL, IMHO ! >IMHO, ALL THE SWAMIS DID THEIR PREPARTORY WORK IN PREVIOUS LIFE TIMES. >IMHO, I LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AS EXTENTIONS OF AMMA. AMMA HAS MANY >HELPERS, BESIDES THE SWAMIS/SWAMINIS/BRAHMACHARIES. > > > > > 2. Being inspired to share Amma with others is one thing I think > > most of us share. But it sounds like Temba's getting to the > > point of > > being a "missionary" of sorts. ***Amma doesn't teach this, > > and I've > > already seen devotees of Amma and of other gurus try to do this (in > > contrary to their guru's teachings) in which it really wastes the > > aspirants time, making them self-focused, or at least providing a > > convenient distraction to one's own growth. In some cases it has > > had a negative effect. > >SAMARPANA ASKED SWAMINI, IF IT IS OK TO GO TO LIBRARIES AND TALK >ABOUT AMMA. SWAMINI SAID, AMMA WOULD NEVER ASK FOR SUCH A THING. BUT, >IF A DEVOTEE FEELS THAT VERY STRONGLY AND DOES THAT FROM THE HEART >WITH AN INNOCENT AND HUMBLE INTENTION/ATTITUDE THEN ONE CAN DO THAT. >IMHO, THAT IS THE WAY ALL OF AMMA'S CHARITABLE AND EDUCATIONAL >PROJECTS GET STARTED. > > > > > Hey Amarnath, don't get me banned from the Temba list... just > > kidding. I know you revere him, but I had to comment. > >HEY THOMAS, I REVERE THE INNER AMMA IN YOU AS MUCH AS I REVERE THE >INNER AMMA IN TEMBA. IT'S JUST THAT TEMBA IS NOT RESISTING THE FLOW >OF AMMA'S LOVE THAT IS PRESENT ALL THE TIME AND YOU ARE. I MUST >CONFESS I TOO AM RESISTING IT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS YOU. > > > > Tell Temba alot of public libraries have free net service > > these days, it's how I surf. > >GOOD FOR YOU; THANKS FOR THE ADVICE ! > > > > > tom > > > >MAY AMMA'S BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE BE WITH YOU, THOMAS, >AMARNATH > > > Ammachi, "amarnath" <anatol_zinc@> wrote: > > > > > > om amriteswaryai namaha, > > > > > > temba is in california meeting with various youth groups. last > > meeting > > > was at a BOYS CLUB. he said, there were about 80 people including > > > local leaders and teachers of non-violence and peace. the walls > > were > > > covered with many known world leaders like martin luther king, > > gandhi, > > > etc, etc. > > > > > > temba presented them with Amma's biography and various >Humanitarian > > > Books by Amma. some teachers said they would start including >Amma's > > > teachings in their classes. !!! > > > > > > temba does not have access to email or much time right now. will >be > > > nice to get his words when he does have some time. > > > > > > amma's blessings, > > > amarnath > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Right on Temba! You rock on! Jai Maa! Om Namah Shivaya! > > "temba spirits" <tembaspirits > 2006/03/30 Thu PM 12:48:16 PST > Ammachi > RE: Re: some news from temba ~ ANS FOR TOM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 My comments are in regular case below > YES, YOU ARE CONFUSED, WILL PRAY FOR YOU ! > PERHAPS, ALL YOUR INTENSE AND DISCIPLINED SADHANA IS PURIFYING YOUR > HEART AND AMMA DID SAY THAT THE OPENING OF THE HEART CAN BE VERY > PAINFUL. PERHAPS, IT'S THAT PAIN YOU ARE EXPRESSING. DID YOU EVER TRY CRYING? SORRY, WHAT CAN WE DO EXCEPT TO PRAY FOR YOU. SAMARPANA AND I HAD A VERY GOOD CRY THIS MORNING. Please ask Amma about me before treating me like a commoner (i.e., confused person). Your understanding of love is different than mine. There's a difference between pain and actually bleeding or a growing tumor that needs attention. It's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. > >(((Like the difference between Swami Nealu and Dayamrita. > > Dayamrita's story is one of conversion, like many of the early > > swami's, as Sw. Nealu tells in his autobiography of his harsh > > treatment by them.)))) > > LAST SENTENCE IS NOT ACCURATE AT ALL, IMHO ! > IMHO, ALL THE SWAMIS DID THEIR PREPARTORY WORK IN PREVIOUS LIFE TIMES. > IMHO, I LOOK AT ALL OF THEM AS EXTENTIONS OF AMMA. AMMA HAS MANY > HELPERS, BESIDES THE SWAMIS/SWAMINIS/BRAHMACHARIES. "ALL THE SWAMI's DID THEIR ..." I respect your expression, but I prefer ones based on fact instead of feelings. For example, one could deduce that Swami P went through his kundalini experiences when going through his intense sicknesses, and I had read that there was a time during the US tours where he had to travel in a van so he could lie down, because of his back (a routine necessity for true kundalini experiencers). "According to his autobio", Nealu was mistreated by some of the early ashramites. Using the "Amma extensions" argument can be used for just about anything and really doesn't help anyone find what's actually happened. For example, it could have been the other way (Nealu was Amma's extensions), but that the power of many or the ego over came him. I will say again, that most of Amma's swami's don't impress me. > > SAMARPANA ASKED SWAMINI, IF IT IS OK TO GO TO LIBRARIES AND TALK > ABOUT AMMA. SWAMINI SAID, AMMA WOULD NEVER ASK FOR SUCH A THING. BUT, > IF A DEVOTEE FEELS THAT VERY STRONGLY AND DOES THAT FROM THE HEART > WITH AN INNOCENT AND HUMBLE INTENTION/ATTITUDE THEN ONE CAN DO THAT. > IMHO, THAT IS THE WAY ALL OF AMMA'S CHARITABLE AND EDUCATIONAL > PROJECTS GET STARTED. IMHO, IMHO. Not all of her projects get started that way. Most people's problems are going "with the heart" rather than understanding that what we think of as our heart, is actually a mix of our mind and emotions (until we reach a certain level of discrimination). Remember that the advice is from a swami(ni). I've seen people with innocent desires share Amma (or other guru's) and it's resulted in negative effects. I'm trying to make the point that you shouldn't 'always' go with feelings. tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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