Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Namah Shivayah, Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is injured, left or right? I only ask because twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in Australia, both times with the same side. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, lower back, etc. Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it is not a shoulder injury. Surya - jyotsna2 Ammachi Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM Which shoulder? Namah Shivayah, Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is injured, left or right? I only ask because twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in Australia, both times with the same side. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle hidden under a white cloth on her back. Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is unbreakable. love, Prajna Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, lower back, etc. Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it is not a shoulder injury. Surya - jyotsna2 Ammachi Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM Which shoulder? Namah Shivayah, Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is injured, left or right? I only ask because twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in Australia, both times with the same side. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Prajna, I would agree that she has some sort of RSI, but many people mistake the trapezius for the shoulder. Being involved in exercise training for over 20 years, I have a good understanding of muscle kinesiology and the traps are more involved than the three heads of the shoulder in the motions that Amma commonly repeats. Though maybe her rotary cuff is also damaged. I am well aware of the other things you mentioned. I don't know how long you have been around Amma, but you might remember the wrist braces as well. Sometimes Amma still uses them from time to time. I'd personally prefer to not discuss these things further in such a public forum, as it is not my place. Suffice to say, the cross analogy is a good one. More than anyone can know. - Prajna - Brianna Ammachi Friday, April 21, 2006 1:19 PM Re: Which shoulder? I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle hidden under a white cloth on her back. Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is unbreakable. love, Prajna Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, lower back, etc. Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it is not a shoulder injury. Surya - jyotsna2 Ammachi Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM Which shoulder? Namah Shivayah, Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is injured, left or right? I only ask because twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in Australia, both times with the same side. J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a mortal? Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon champion perform like Amma with two or less hours of sleep for over three decades non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical therapy yet keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating eyes? Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? Please consider that we are not talking about a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is terrible. I have the disorder so I know. Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts and no with an empirical "mind"/ I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege either. Just wondering that's all. Namah Shivaya, GeorgeSon Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Prajna, > > I would agree that she has some sort of RSI, but many people mistake the trapezius for the shoulder. Being involved in exercise training for over 20 years, I have a good understanding of muscle kinesiology and the traps are more involved than the three heads of the shoulder in the motions that Amma commonly repeats. Though maybe her rotary cuff is also damaged. > > I am well aware of the other things you mentioned. I don't know how long you have been around Amma, but you might remember the wrist braces as well. Sometimes Amma still uses them from time to time. > > I'd personally prefer to not discuss these things further in such a public forum, as it is not my place. Suffice to say, the cross analogy is a good one. More than anyone can know. > - > Prajna - Brianna > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:19 PM > Re: Which shoulder? > > > I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle > hidden under a white cloth on her back. > > Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is unbreakable. > > love, > > Prajna > > Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, lower back, etc. > > Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it is not a shoulder injury. > > Surya > - > jyotsna2 > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM > Which shoulder? > > > Namah Shivayah, > > Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is > injured, left or right? I only ask because > twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in > Australia, both times with the same side. > > J. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > ------------ > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 We each have our lila. It is our job as devotees to protect Her body. It is Her job to pull us close. Does that mean you should never have darshan? Of course not. She wouldn't let us run away anyway. Amma has incarnated into a human body, just as Christ did. Suffering is part of the human experience for better and worse. Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace. - leokomor Ammachi Friday, April 21, 2006 1:53 PM Re: Which shoulder? If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a mortal? Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon champion perform like Amma with two or less hours of sleep for over three decades non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical therapy yet keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating eyes? Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? Please consider that we are not talking about a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is terrible. I have the disorder so I know. Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts and no with an empirical "mind"/ I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege either. Just wondering that's all. Namah Shivaya, GeorgeSon Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Prajna, > > I would agree that she has some sort of RSI, but many people mistake the trapezius for the shoulder. Being involved in exercise training for over 20 years, I have a good understanding of muscle kinesiology and the traps are more involved than the three heads of the shoulder in the motions that Amma commonly repeats. Though maybe her rotary cuff is also damaged. > > I am well aware of the other things you mentioned. I don't know how long you have been around Amma, but you might remember the wrist braces as well. Sometimes Amma still uses them from time to time. > > I'd personally prefer to not discuss these things further in such a public forum, as it is not my place. Suffice to say, the cross analogy is a good one. More than anyone can know. > - > Prajna - Brianna > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:19 PM > Re: Which shoulder? > > > I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle > hidden under a white cloth on her back. > > Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is unbreakable. > > love, > > Prajna > > Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, lower back, etc. > > Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it is not a shoulder injury. > > Surya > - > jyotsna2 > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM > Which shoulder? > > > Namah Shivayah, > > Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is > injured, left or right? I only ask because > twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in > Australia, both times with the same side. > > J. > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > ------------ > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 [/:)] Surya wrote: "Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace." In Indian Mystical cirlcle it is believed that Mahatma's like Amma take peoples Karma's into their body. In Awaken Children! I recall Amma admitting that She does this and has to suffer the huggees Karma in the form of physical pain. Sri Ramakrishna's disciples believed that His throat cancer manifested as a result of taking in devotees Karma. Christianity says Jesus died for our sins. It comes with the territory? Yes. But once again try to recall that they choose to do this. Prajna had it right when she alluded to the idea that the pain is there yet Mahatma's can dis-associate from it. Once again I do not know anything. I let my chatterbox mind prattle on. It is hard to resist because I love this aspect of Amma. It really fascinates me. Namaste, GeorgeSon Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > We each have our lila. It is our job as devotees to protect Her body. It is Her job to pull us close. Does that mean you should never have darshan? Of course not. She wouldn't let us run away anyway. > > Amma has incarnated into a human body, just as Christ did. Suffering is part of the human experience for better and worse. Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace. > > > - > leokomor > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:53 PM > Re: Which shoulder? > > > If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a mortal? > > Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon champion > perform like Amma > with two or less hours of sleep for over three decades > non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical therapy yet > keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating eyes? > > Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? > Please consider that we are not talking about > a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is terrible. > I have the disorder so I know. > > Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma > as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts > and no with an empirical "mind"/ > > I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege either. > Just wondering that's all. > > Namah Shivaya, > > GeorgeSon > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" mahamuni@ wrote: > > > > Prajna, > > > > I would agree that she has some sort of RSI, but many people > mistake the trapezius for the shoulder. Being involved in exercise > training for over 20 years, I have a good understanding of muscle > kinesiology and the traps are more involved than the three heads of > the shoulder in the motions that Amma commonly repeats. Though maybe > her rotary cuff is also damaged. > > > > I am well aware of the other things you mentioned. I don't know > how long you have been around Amma, but you might remember the wrist > braces as well. Sometimes Amma still uses them from time to time. > > > > I'd personally prefer to not discuss these things further in such a > public forum, as it is not my place. Suffice to say, the cross > analogy is a good one. More than anyone can know. > > - > > Prajna - Brianna > > Ammachi > > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:19 PM > > Re: Which shoulder? > > > > > > I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called > an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last > summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me > that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why > they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, > especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that > repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for > extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's > basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest > in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for > those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the > motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It > would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That > is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you > observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle > > hidden under a white cloth on her back. > > > > Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may > not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is > due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is > unbreakable. > > > > love, > > > > Prajna > > > > Mahamuni mahamuni@ wrote: > > She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread > things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of > her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her > right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, > lower back, etc. > > > > Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it > is not a shoulder injury. > > > > Surya > > - > > jyotsna2 > > Ammachi > > Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM > > Which shoulder? > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is > > injured, left or right? I only ask because > > twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in > > Australia, both times with the same side. > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using > Messenger with Voice. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > ------\ ------ > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > ------\ ------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 I also recall reading in more than one Amma book about her taking on karmas in this way. I also can recall several times when I have seen her leave the hall after a very long darshan with her right arm hanging by her side instead of stretched out to "high-five" us as usual. Two things seem pretty clear: 1) Amma's body does indeed suffer the consequences of the action it goes through 2) She is totally unperturbed, uninterested and uninvolved in the pain, as her "mind" is in constant union with source. The thoughts/feelings that we often experience during physical pain ("poor me,I can't bear it," etc) can't possibly arise in one who has no identification with body. I too am endlessly fascinated by the sheer depth of her selfless nature. If she is the emodiment of what we all are in actuality, does that really mean that underneath all these silly vasanas we too are nothing but love? Wow! She always says "Creator and Creation are one and the same." So as we each experience the inevitable suffering that comes with the human birth, it's only our perspective that makes it painful. Once J. Krishnamurti said to an audience, "Do you want to know my secret? My secret is that I don't mind what happens." Jai Ma! love, Prajna leokomor <leokomor wrote: [/:)] Surya wrote: "Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace." In Indian Mystical cirlcle it is believed that Mahatma's like Amma take peoples Karma's into their body. In Awaken Children! I recall Amma admitting that She does this and has to suffer the huggees Karma in the form of physical pain. Sri Ramakrishna's disciples believed that His throat cancer manifested as a result of taking in devotees Karma. Christianity says Jesus died for our sins. It comes with the territory? Yes. But once again try to recall that they choose to do this. Prajna had it right when she alluded to the idea that the pain is there yet Mahatma's can dis-associate from it. Once again I do not know anything. I let my chatterbox mind prattle on. It is hard to resist because I love this aspect of Amma. It really fascinates me. Namaste, GeorgeSon Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > We each have our lila. It is our job as devotees to protect Her body. It is Her job to pull us close. Does that mean you should never have darshan? Of course not. She wouldn't let us run away anyway. > > Amma has incarnated into a human body, just as Christ did. Suffering is part of the human experience for better and worse. Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace. > > > - > leokomor > Ammachi > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:53 PM > Re: Which shoulder? > > > If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a mortal? > > Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon champion > perform like Amma > with two or less hours of sleep for over three decades > non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical therapy yet > keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating eyes? > > Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? > Please consider that we are not talking about > a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is terrible. > I have the disorder so I know. > > Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma > as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts > and no with an empirical "mind"/ > > I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege either. > Just wondering that's all. > > Namah Shivaya, > > GeorgeSon > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" mahamuni@ wrote: > > > > Prajna, > > > > I would agree that she has some sort of RSI, but many people > mistake the trapezius for the shoulder. Being involved in exercise > training for over 20 years, I have a good understanding of muscle > kinesiology and the traps are more involved than the three heads of > the shoulder in the motions that Amma commonly repeats. Though maybe > her rotary cuff is also damaged. > > > > I am well aware of the other things you mentioned. I don't know > how long you have been around Amma, but you might remember the wrist > braces as well. Sometimes Amma still uses them from time to time. > > > > I'd personally prefer to not discuss these things further in such a > public forum, as it is not my place. Suffice to say, the cross > analogy is a good one. More than anyone can know. > > - > > Prajna - Brianna > > Ammachi > > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:19 PM > > Re: Which shoulder? > > > > > > I am quite sure that Amma does indeed have what is called > an "RSI" (repetetive stress injury) in her right shoulder. Last > summer tour both Gita and Swamini Krishnamritaprana mentioned to me > that Amma's shoulder was not in good shape at all, and that was why > they were asking that people only go for darshan every few days, > especially if they were going to more than one city. Any body that > repeats the same physical motion over and over again without rest for > extended periods of time will develop this kind of injury. It's > basically an inflamation of the tendon. We commonly see it manifest > in the west as carpal tunnel syndrome in the wrists and arms for > those who type a lot. Considering that Amma has been repeating the > motion of embracing with her right arm for... how many years now? It > would be almost impossible for her to not have developed an RSI. That > is why we often see people massaging her right shoulder, and if you > observe closely, there is usually a hot water bottle > > hidden under a white cloth on her back. > > > > Swamiji said it well, that Amma's cross is that chair. She may > not need to sleep or eat or nurture her body in other ways, but it is > due to her disidentification with the body, not because her body is > unbreakable. > > > > love, > > > > Prajna > > > > Mahamuni mahamuni@ wrote: > > She doesn't have shoulder injury. Please let us not spread > things that we are not absolutely sure about. I think it is more of > her trapezius muscle anyway. I believe it would be worse on Her > right, but I'm sure both would flare up, as well as Her mid back, > lower back, etc. > > > > Unless this is a recent, new change, which is wholly possible, it > is not a shoulder injury. > > > > Surya > > - > > jyotsna2 > > Ammachi > > Friday, April 21, 2006 10:52 AM > > Which shoulder? > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, > > > > Does anyone know which shoulder of Amma's is > > injured, left or right? I only ask because > > twice she "accidentally" lurched into me in > > Australia, both times with the same side. > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Namah Shivaya, From the time I became involved with my first guru decades ago, I was told that the Guru suffers physically because She/He takes on our karma. I have not read about one guru who hasn't gone through a great amount of physical suffering. Bhagavan Nityananda said that a yogi may think about his/her body once or twice a day, otherwise they ignore it. Mother has given Her whole self to the world, with no thought to "Herself". I don't think we can even imagine how She physically suffers, or what Her mindset is. At least this child can't. She is just Love, to the point that we have no idea, no point of reference. P leokomor wrote: > > [/:)] > > Surya wrote: > > "Besides it would stand to reason that Her body will take on things from > the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her embrace." > > In Indian Mystical cirlcle it is believed that Mahatma's like Amma take > peoples Karma's into their body. In Awaken Children! I recall Amma > admitting that She does this and has to suffer the huggees Karma in the > form of physical pain. > > Sri Ramakrishna's disciples believed that His throat cancer manifested > as a result of taking in devotees Karma. Christianity says Jesus died > for our sins. It comes with the territory? Yes. But once again try to > recall that they choose to do this. Prajna had it right when she > alluded to the idea that the pain is there yet Mahatma's can > dis-associate from it. Once again I do not know anything. I let my > chatterbox mind prattle on. > > It is hard to resist because I love this aspect of Amma. It really > fascinates me. > > Namaste, > > GeorgeSon > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > > > We each have our lila. It is our job as devotees to protect Her body. > It is Her job to pull us close. Does that mean you should never have > darshan? Of course not. She wouldn't let us run away anyway. > > > > Amma has incarnated into a human body, just as Christ did. Suffering > is part of the human experience for better and worse. Besides it would > stand to reason that Her body will take on things from the throngs of > Her devotees coming into Her embrace. > > > > > > - > > leokomor > > Ammachi > > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:53 PM > > Re: Which shoulder? > > > > > > If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a mortal? > > > > Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon champion > > perform like Amma > > with two or less hours of sleep for over three decades > > non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical therapy yet > > keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating eyes? > > > > Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? > > Please consider that we are not talking about > > a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is terrible. > > I have the disorder so I know. > > > > Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma > > as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts > > and no with an empirical "mind"/ > > > > I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege either. > > Just wondering that's all. > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > GeorgeSon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Thank you. That was very incisive. It just occured to me that most Mahatma's take on a relatively manageable amount of devotees. I believe that they usually are selective about which aspirant can come within their sphere. Amma will allow anyone with hideous karma to Her lap seemingly unscreened. It appears that She may be one of the most gracious/generous Avatars What grace!! Namah Shivaya, Chitanand --- Prasadini <ganesh1008 wrote: > Namah Shivaya, > From the time I became involved with my first guru > decades ago, I was > told that > the Guru suffers physically because She/He takes on > our karma. I have > not read > about one guru who hasn't gone through a great > amount of physical > suffering. > Bhagavan Nityananda said that a yogi may think > about his/her body once or > twice a day, otherwise they ignore it. > Mother has given Her whole self to the world, with > no thought to > "Herself". I don't think we can even imagine how She > physically suffers, > or what Her mindset is. At least this child can't. > She is just Love, to > the point that we have no idea, no point of > reference. > P > > leokomor wrote: > > > > [/:)] > > > > Surya wrote: > > > > "Besides it would stand to reason that Her body > will take on things from > > the throngs of Her devotees coming into Her > embrace." > > > > In Indian Mystical cirlcle it is believed that > Mahatma's like Amma take > > peoples Karma's into their body. In Awaken > Children! I recall Amma > > admitting that She does this and has to suffer the > huggees Karma in the > > form of physical pain. > > > > Sri Ramakrishna's disciples believed that His > throat cancer manifested > > as a result of taking in devotees Karma. > Christianity says Jesus died > > for our sins. It comes with the territory? Yes. > But once again try to > > recall that they choose to do this. Prajna had it > right when she > > alluded to the idea that the pain is there yet > Mahatma's can > > dis-associate from it. Once again I do not know > anything. I let my > > chatterbox mind prattle on. > > > > It is hard to resist because I love this aspect of > Amma. It really > > fascinates me. > > > > Namaste, > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni wrote: > > > > > > We each have our lila. It is our job as devotees > to protect Her body. > > It is Her job to pull us close. Does that mean you > should never have > > darshan? Of course not. She wouldn't let us run > away anyway. > > > > > > Amma has incarnated into a human body, just as > Christ did. Suffering > > is part of the human experience for better and > worse. Besides it would > > stand to reason that Her body will take on things > from the throngs of > > Her devotees coming into Her embrace. > > > > > > > > > - > > > leokomor > > > Ammachi > > > Friday, April 21, 2006 1:53 PM > > > Re: Which shoulder? > > > > > > > > > If Amma is a divine being can She suffer like a > mortal? > > > > > > Can any mortal even an Olympic Decatholon > champion > > > perform like Amma > > > with two or less hours of sleep for over three > decades > > > non-stop no vacations no elaborate physical > therapy yet > > > keep a blinding smile and clear penetrating > eyes? > > > > > > Can any mortal be as omniscient as Amma? > > > Please consider that we are not talking about > > > a Secretary or data entry clerk. RSI is > terrible. > > > I have the disorder so I know. > > > > > > Why is it that the protectors of Amma see Amma > > > as fragile? Are they thinking with their hearts > > > and no with an empirical "mind"/ > > > > > > I do not want to abuse the Darshan privilege > either. > > > Just wondering that's all. > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Namah Shivaya, I read a book about Sarada Devi several years ago. If someone touched Her who hadn't been doing sadhana, She would experience great physical pain for quite some time. Sarada Devi was a great being. You have a very good point about our Mother. P GeorgeSon wrote: > Thank you. > > That was very incisive. > > It just occured to me that most Mahatma's take on a > relatively manageable amount of devotees. > > I believe that they usually are selective about which > aspirant can come within their sphere. > > Amma will allow anyone with hideous karma to Her lap > seemingly unscreened. It appears that She may be one > of the most gracious/generous Avatars > > What grace!! > > Namah Shivaya, > > Chitanand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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