Swami's Interview Session with John Hislop

[Guest guest]

Dear brothers and sisters,

SaiRam. Today, I would like to share with you all the

following conversation between John Hislop and SWAMI in 1980. This is an

extract from the book 'My Baba and I' by John Hislop.

November 7, 1980

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SAI: In all countries there is a rapid deterioration of the human quality.

JH: When will it change for the better?

SAI: Soon there will be a change.

JH: When is soon, SWAMI? Twnety years? Ten years?

SAI: No. Now. Already there is some slight improvement in India. One cause of

the general deterioration in the world is rapid communication. This allows

advertising and publicity to have a strong influence on people. Your American

election is an illustration of how the leaders are television actors.

JH: SWAMI, there is no evidence of a change for the better.

SAI: If there is a change, it will be a universal change. Not local. It will occur everyplace.

JH: This rapid world-wide communication also results in common knowledge of how

to build an atom bomb. Is there not a great danger of some small nation using

the bomb?

SAI: The danger is not of someone using the bomb. People are no longer afraid of

death from the bomb. So long as they can pursue their objective of getting

money, they are willing to risk death and to die. It is not the bomb that is

the danger, it is the mind that is the danger. The bomb exists only as an

instrument of the mind. The need is for a change of mind.

JH: But SWAMI, people do not care to learn about that. They have no interest in

SWAMI or in listening to him.

SAI: Minds can and do change. For example, the life style of people can be so

bad that they become ashamed and change. The hippies' life style is so low and

so dishonest and immoral that groups of hippies, observing their own life

reflected in another group, become ashamed and of themselves they change.

JH: Well, at least SWAMI's devotees know about changing the mind and can do so.

SAI: Were it not for the mind change of Sai devotees the world would already

have fallen into complete chaos. The determination of mind and man has been

very rapid and abrupt, even precipitous during the last fifteen years. That the

world is not in total destruction is due to the change in mind of Sai devotees

and to Sai's Grace. You are not aware of it, just as you are not aware of your

eyes until they are lost. In the same way, the world is not aware of Sai's

Grace.

SaiRam

Raghu.