Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 achintya, Jan Brzezinski <jankbrz> wrote: > decadent. I suggest that we all admit right away that > this decadence was in great part recognizable only > because of the mirror that the British--both > Orientalist and Christian--held up before them. > > We must look at both Bhaktivinoda Thakur and Siddhanta > Saraswati in their time and place. No one likes to > hear that Saraswati Thakur took a page out of > Vivekananda's book, but this is in fact what he was > doing. He saw the Vaishnava society of his time to be > hopelessly decadent on many levels. Its householder > acharya core was (according to him) engaged in > religious life purely as a business and acted like any > other self-interested elite. This was part and parcel Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati should never be spoken of in the same breath as Swami Vivekananda or other so-called Hindu reformers. This may be a very popular comparison for secular academics, but for Vaishnavas this is distasteful. Only sheer audacity would inspire one to speak of a pure Vaishnava in the same context as a meat-eating, cigarette smoking, atheist who preaches a very watered-down version of Advaita which is meant to appeal to the masses. Above and beyond this, such audacity is also accompanied by ignorance of historical facts. If you wish to call both Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati and Swami Vivekananda "Hindu reformers," you must immediately qualify by that by pointing out their widely divergent motivations - they are as different as night and day. Swami Vivekananda was a well-known admirer of the West and Western so- called "rationalism." This can be seen in the way his followers, specifically the initiated ones, adopt Western conventions in their preaching. These include Western clothes, use of spoon and fork, eating of meat, drinking of liquor, and "church-style" gathering places complete with pews and organs. Readers of Srila Prabhupada Lilamrita will recall when Srila Prabhupada met with members of the Ramakrishna Mission in New York City, the latter had encouraged him to adopt some of these Western conventions, lest he not be able to survive. Vivekananda's Advaita sales pitch was clearly meant to appeal to secular-minded individuals educated in the Western style. This is obvious from his writings, and his speeches at the World Parliament of Religions in Chicago. For example, regarding Deity worship, he stated, "This is why the Hindu uses an external symbol when he worships. He will tell you, it helps to keep his mind fixed on the Being to whom he prays. He knows as well as you do that the image is not God, is not omnipresent... Idols or temples or churches or books are only the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood; but on and on he must progress." (_Chicago Addresses_, p30-31) This doctrine is completely unfounded in Vedic literature, but it appeals to people who, like Christians, have no use for Deity worship. Furthermore, it is also obvious that Vivekananda's writings were intended to arouse nationalist sentiments and engage people in acts of material welfare for their fellow Indian brethren. In his _Thoughts of Power_, he writes, "Our aristocratic ancestors went on treading the common masses of our country under fot till they became helpless, till under this torment the poor, poor people nearly forgot that they were human beings." (p.26) Vivekananda betrays his disgust with the traditional Vedic system of government by ascribing to them the sins which actually the British colonialists were guilty of. He goes on to write, "They (the people of India) have been complelled to be merely hewers of wood and drawers of water for centuries, so much so, that they are made to believe that they are born as slaves, born as hewers of wood and drawers of water." Clearly Vivekananda has a problem with people who who are content with simple jobs, but a true spiritualist recognizes work as a means to an end, with the actual worth of a person being transcendental to his material work. The nationalist/welfare sentiments become obvious later on: "Do you feel? Do you feel that millions and millions of the descendants of the gods and of sages have become next-door neighbours to brutes? Do you feel that millions are starving today, and millions have been starving for ages? Do you feel that ignorance has come over the land as a dark cloud? Does it make you restless? Does it make you sleepless? Has it gone into your blood, coursing through your veins, becoming consonant with your heartbeats? Has it made you almost mad?.... This is the first step to become a patriot, the very first step. Come, be men. Come out of your narrow holes and have a look abroad. See how nations are on the march. Do you love man? Do you love your country? Then come, let us struggle for higher and better things... With all my love for India, and with all my patriotism and veneration fo the ancients, I cannot but think that we have to learn many things from other nations... That we did not go out to compare things with other nations, did not mark the workings that have been all around us, has been the one great cause of this degradation of the Indian mind." (p27-28) Note how Vivekananda clearly associates India's degradation with her people's lack of interest in the Western world. Note also how his speech culminates in a nationalistic cry for material welfare. His speech is repeatedly peppered with various expressions of patriotism. What this shows is that Vivekananda's motivations were clearly material in nature, motivated by admiration of the West, and a tendency to see India's lack of material progress as evidence that it was a backward nation. How can anyone even think to compare such a person to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati? Srila Bhaktisiddhanta had no direct interest in the politics of India or other nations. Devotees will recall that when a young Abhay Charan met Srila Bhaktisiddanta, the former was active in the Gandhi non-violence movement and argued that India must first be freed before anything else, since she had been under the English heel for the last 200 years. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta rejected this proposition completely, and stated that everyone, Indian and otherwise, had been enslaved by maya since time immemorial. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati reinstated traditions and customs which the spiritually backward Western world would perceive as regressive. Why would he reinstate the varnaashrama system if he was interested in the admiration of Western thinkers, when Western thought at that time was completely opposed to their perception of a "hereditary caste system?" It makes no sense. While Vivekananda turned outward, to concerns of India's poverty and material progress, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta turned inward, to the nature of the soul and means of acquiring true self-realization. Unlike Vivekananda, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta faithfully followed the tradition of scriptural commentary laid down by his predecessors, rather than trying to create a new and innovative institution that would earn the admiration of Western materialists. Also unlike Vivekananda, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta never compromised on basic issues of sadaachaara etiquette. Jan also writes, "I suggest that we all admit right away that this decadence was in great part recognizable only because of the mirror that the British--both Orientalist and Christian--held up before them." This is simply not true. The implication of this statement is that Vaishnavas lack the ability to recognize and reform themselves; rather, they need the "rational" West to point out their flaws. Such a viewpoint is not only insulting, it is clearly wrong. All throughout Vaishnava history, great spiritual leaders such as Madhva, Raamaanuja, and even Lord Chaitanya, have always appeared at times of great philosophical and moral decay, using shaastras as the means to effect reform. Why does Jan not abscribe their motivations to foreign influence? Why does he assume that only Srila Bhaktisiddhanta cared about impressing foreign invaders? Given that such a theory is not consistent with Srila Bhaktisiddhanta's behavior, I think it should be realized that such assertions regarding Srila Bhaktisiddhanta serve the ulterior motive of decrying his authenticity as a Gaudiiya Vaishnava. One would do well to note this "backdoor" approach to criticism - rather than attacking head on and saying what they actually think, the critics try more subtle approaches such as this one to slowly devalue his accomplishments. Regardless of the motivations, what is abundantly clear is that this comparison of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta with Vivekananda is at best irresponsible scholarship. This is a list dedicated to Gaudiiya Vaishnavism in the Saarasvata Gaudiiya tradition, and these kinds of remarks, frankly speaking, have no place here. I believe we have a very tolerant policy here that encourages disagreement; we will not however, allow anyone to abuse that policy and insult our aachaaryas, however implicitly, in the name of "scholarship." If the critics feel that this is too restrictive, then their needs would be better served by secular Indology lists where nothing is sacred and no one need be revered. regards, - K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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