authorized songs

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Prayers must be approved by Vedic literature, as indicated in this verse by

the words daivibhir girbhih. In our Krsna consciousness movement we do not

allow any song that has not been approved or sung by bona fide devotees. We

cannot allow cinema songs to be sung in the temple. We generally sing two

songs. One is sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara

srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. This is bona fide. It is always mentioned in

the Caitanya-caritamrta, and it is accepted by the acaryas. The other, of

course, is the maha-mantra -- Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare

Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. We may also sing the songs

of Narottama dasa Thakura, Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Locana dasa Thakura, but

these two songs -- "sri-krsna-caitanya" and the Hare Krsna maha-mantra --

are sufficient to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although we

cannot see Him.

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 8.5.25

[Guest guest]

yes maharaja

 

for the temple it is perfectly allright and there are also strict (or sadly

not so strict in some places) restrictions about the instruments and the

ways and melodies available to chant mahamantra, panchatattva mantra, and

the other's songs

 

hare krishna

 

yasoda nandana dasa

 

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achintya, "Mario Leonelli" <marioefranca@h...>

wrote:

> yes maharaja

>

> for the temple it is perfectly allright and there are also strict

(or sadly

> not so strict in some places) restrictions about the instruments

and the

> ways and melodies available to chant mahamantra, panchatattva

mantra, and

> the other's songs

 

I initially approached this from the viewpoint of an individual

devotee's musical tastes. But if we are talking about what is

acceptable to play before the Dieties in the temple, then yes, I

would say that only songs composed by pure Vaishnavas (or at least,

not mayavaadiis) should be accepted for within the temple premises.

At least on that point, I hope we all agree. I would even go so far

as to say that (except for those specific recordings explicitly

approved by Srila Prabhupada) only kiirtanas created with traditional

instruments should be played in temples.

[Guest guest]

Hari Bol!

 

Please Accept my humble obeisance!

 

Such restrictions would empty temples!

It is customary to play songs sung by Jagjit Singh,

Chitra Singh, Lata Mangeshkar, and George Harrison,

and many others!

 

Would you speciacally comment on whether to sing and

play the following:-

 

[1] Tulsidas bhajans

[2] Surdas bhajans

[3] Mirabai bhajans

[4] Tukaram bhajans

[5] Raskhan / Rahim bhajans- both were Moslems!

[6] others

 

y h s

 

Dr Prayag Narayan Misra das

 

E-mail: wwti

 

--- krishna_susarla <krishna_susarla

wrote:

But if we are talking

> about what is

> acceptable to play before the Dieties in the temple,

> then yes, I

> would say that only songs composed by pure

> Vaishnavas (or at least,

> not mayavaadiis) should be accepted for within the

> temple premises.

> At least on that point, I hope we all agree. I would

> even go so far

> as to say that (except for those specific recordings

> explicitly

> approved by Srila Prabhupada) only kiirtanas created

> with traditional

> instruments should be played in temples.

[Guest guest]

> But if we are talking

> > about what is

> > acceptable to play before the Dieties in the temple,

> > then yes, I

> > would say that only songs composed by pure

> > Vaishnavas (or at least,

> > not mayavaadiis) should be accepted for within the

> > temple premises.

> > At least on that point, I hope we all agree. I would

> > even go so far

> > as to say that (except for those specific recordings

> > explicitly

> > approved by Srila Prabhupada) only kiirtanas created

> > with traditional

> > instruments should be played in temples.

 

achintya, prayag misra

<worldwidetechnologies> wrote:

 

> Hari Bol!

>

> Please Accept my humble obeisance!

>

> Such restrictions would empty temples!

 

I disagree. Many South Indian temples which I have been to will not

feature songs of any artist. In fact, the only thing you will hear

are mantras being chanted. Occasionally someone might be invited to

sing the kiirtanas of Thyaagaraaja or Annamachaarya, but even this

will at least be traditional sounding.

 

I think if one is going to be discouraged from visiting a temple due

to the lack of popular artists' "devotional" music being played, then

he should rethink this motivations in visiting a temple in the first

place.

 

> It is customary to play songs sung by Jagjit Singh,

> Chitra Singh, Lata Mangeshkar, and George Harrison,

> and many others!

 

Many things are "customary." That does not make them correct! We must

judge based on scriptural directions and the spirit behind them.

 

> Would you speciacally comment on whether to sing and

> play the following:-

 

You are asking me to comment on whether or not the individuals below

are pure Vaishnavas. In the absence of any evidence regarding their

devotional sentiments, I am unable to do so. Rather than alluding to

an individual's popular appeal, a more rational approach would be to

give examples of the writings of the Vaishnavas below. Then we can

say whether or not they are consistent with pure Vaishnava

sentiments.

 

yours,

- K

 

 

>

> [1] Tulsidas bhajans

> [2] Surdas bhajans

> [3] Mirabai bhajans

> [4] Tukaram bhajans

> [5] Raskhan / Rahim bhajans- both were Moslems!

> [6] others

>

> y h s

>

> Dr Prayag Narayan Misra das

>

> E-mail: wwti@a...

>

> --- krishna_susarla <krishna_susarla@h...>

> wrote:

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, krishna_susarla wrote:

> I think if one is going to be discouraged from visiting a temple due

> to the lack of popular artists' "devotional" music being played, then

> he should rethink this motivations in visiting a temple in the first

> place.

 

Yes, but even Krsna acquiesces (Gita 7.16) that the pious initially approach Him

with four kinds of personal motivations.

 

 

 

> Many things are "customary." That does not make them correct! We must

> judge based on scriptural directions and the spirit behind them.

 

That said, what is ideal isn't necessarily what is real. We have to recognize

that so many people like Suradasa, Tulasi, Mira, and others, simply because

they're undeniably excellent poets (and probably devotees of *some* sort, too).

And their padas are often set to classical ragas--which is said to be the best

music that exists in this world. After all, "ranjayati iti ragah" (that which

enchants one is 'raga'); in this sense (at least), it isn't fruitful to ignore

this reality without suggesting any higher (dovetailed sensual) alternative. It

is better to employ the most appealing things in Krsna's service, and arguably,

that's precisely what such poets did. I know that the Vaisnava acarya Vallabha

Bhatta's son Vitthalesa embraced the "bhoga-raga" characteristic of pustimarga

worship with such "yukta-vairagya" rubric. However, this pertains to musical

style more than to any (possibly rasabhasa) lyrics that such authors also

composed.

 

 

 

> > Would you speciacally comment on whether to sing and

> > play the following:-

> You are asking me to comment on whether or not the individuals below

> are pure Vaishnavas. In the absence of any evidence regarding their

> devotional sentiments, I am unable to do so.

 

So is everyone else, most likely. The optimum approach seems to be to take any

given pada as a stand-alone, and judge it on its own merit--especially since its

allegedly authorship is probably dubious anyway. In other words:

 

> Rather than alluding to

> an individual's popular appeal, a more rational approach would be to

> give examples of the writings of the Vaishnavas below. Then we can

> say whether or not they are consistent with pure Vaishnava

> sentiments.

 

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