Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 Can someone please send me the original sanskrit of the following verse viShNu puraaNa 6.7.75. I used this verse from the achintya file list but only the English translation is present. The verse establishes the Supremacy of Krishna over Brahman and paramatma. in your service. Aravind. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 achintya, Aravind Mohanram <psuaravind> wrote: > Haribol, > > Can someone please send me the original sanskrit of the following verse > > viShNu puraaNa 6.7.75. > > I used this verse from the achintya file list but only the English translation is present. The verse establishes the Supremacy of Krishna over Brahman and paramatma. > > in your service. > Aravind. Aravind, The reasons the Sanskrit was not provided for that verse is probably because it was taken from one of Kushakratha's Sandarbha translations, which do not provide the original Sanskrit. To make matters worse, there appears to be some differences between the various editions of the Vishnu Puraana being used. The one I have, which is the so-called "critical edition" of H.H. Wilson, does not saying anything in 6.7.75 regarding the supremacy of Krishna over paramaatmaa or impersonal brahman. That's not to say that it isn't there - the problem is that the numbering for the verses appears to be different. It doesn't make matters any easier that I only have a dry academic's translation, and he is likely not familiar with the lofty theological concept you are referring to. But I did read a couple of verses before and ahead, and I did not see anything in the Sanskrit that would reflect what was translated in Jiva Gosvami's Sandarbhas. There is another edition of the Vishnu Puraana published by Nag Publishers (Sanskrit only) and translated into English (published by Motilal Banarsidass). It might be easier to read than Wilson's edition. But the bottom line is that we need to see the original Sanskrit fro the verse so we can locate it using a verse index or something similar. For that, we will have to wait until someone publishes the rest of the Sandarbhas with the original Sanskrit. I heard that Satyanarayana was going to do this as well as Gopiparanadhana dasa of the BBT. yours, - K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Thank you for the candid response. What are the key scriptural verses used by Gaudiyas to establish the SUPREMACY of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 achintya, Aravind Mohanram <psuaravind> wrote: > Haribol, > > Thank you for the candid response. What are the key scriptural verses used by Gaudiyas to establish the SUPREMACY of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma? > Any verse which describes the nature of the Supreme as being with attributes, form, personality, etc will be saying this at least implicitly. But more explicit descriptions of the formless aspect being a manifestation of the original form are found in various places. Look at the verse list for "brahmajyoti" - you can find a few there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 There is an exhaustive presentation on the topic in the Bhagavat sandarbha by Srila Jiva Gosvami Prabhupada. Rupa-vilasa dasa - Aravind Mohanram achintya Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:57 AM Re: Re: viShNu puraaNa 6.7.75 -Sanskrit? Haribol, Thank you for the candid response. What are the key scriptural verses used by Gaudiyas to establish the SUPREMACY of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 This topic is specifically and very elaborately discussed in both the Krsna and Bhagavat Sandarbhas by Srila Jiva Gosvami, most specifically in the Bhagavat sandarbha, which begins with an analysis of the verse from SB 1.2.11. Rupa-vilasa dasa - Aravind Mohanram achintya Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:57 AM Re: Re: viShNu puraaNa 6.7.75 -Sanskrit? Haribol, Thank you for the candid response. What are the key scriptural verses used by Gaudiyas to establish the SUPREMACY of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 In Kusakratha Prabhu's translation of Bhagavat-sandarbha he cites the following verses from Vishnu Purana: 6.5.66--69 yat tad avyaktam ajaram acintyam ajam aksayam anirdesyam arupam ca pani-padady-asamyutam vibhum sarva-gatam nityam bhuta-yonim akaranam vyapy avyapyam yatah sarvam tad vai pasyanti surayah tad brahma paramam dhama tad dhyeyam moksa-kanksinam sruti-vakyoditam suksmam tad visnoh paramam padam tad eta bhagavad-vacyam svarupam paramatmanah vacako bhagavac-chabdas tasyadyasyaksaratmanah "The impersonal Brahman feature of the Supreme is unmanifested, free from old age, inconceivable, birthless, free from decay and diminution, indescribable, formless, without hands, feet or other limbs, all-powerful, all-pervading, eternal, the origin of all material elements, without any cause, present in everything, although nothing is situated in it, the source of the material cosmos, the object of vision for the demigods, and the object of meditation for they who aspire after liberation. The impersonal Brahman is the supremely subtle spiritual effulgence and abode of Lord Visnu, which is described in the mantras of the Vedas. Brahman is the effulgence of the the Bhagavan feature of the Lord, and the all-pervading Supersoul (Paramatma) is the partial manifestation of the transcendental form of the imperishable Supreme Person, Sri Bhagavan." At least these verses do touch on the subject matter although the numbers are different than the one cited (6.7.75). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Hare Krishna, >Thank you for the candid response. What are the key scriptural verses used by Gaudiyas to establish the SUPREMACY of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma? > >Any verse which describes the nature of the Supreme as being with attributes, form, >personality, etc will be saying this at least implicitly. The Chapter 15 "Description of Kingdom of God" in the 3rd Canto seems to be very pertinent in understanding the supremacy of bhagavan over brahman and paramatma. In the verse 3.15. 43 it is described the four Kumaras were attached to impersonal Brahman understanding (aksara-jusam). But when the breeze carrying the aroma of tulasi leaves from the toes of the lotus feet of the Supreme Lord entered their nostrils, they experienced a change in both body and mind. Srila Prabhupada explains in the purport that the sages were protagonists of the philosophy of monism. But as soon as they saw the Lord's features their mind changed. Further in 3.15.47 the four Kumaras explicitly state bhagavan param atma-tattvam. Srila Prabhupada adrresses this issue in the purport by stating the three features of the Absolute Truth and then explains "Here it is admitted that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the last word in understanding the Absolute Truth". Thus we see a clear case where impersonalist is converted to a personalist after realizing that Bhagavan realization is the summum bonnum in realizing the Absolute. Your servant Vidyadhar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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