Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 This post is a partial reply to Aravind's post on 6/7/03 about Anand's (a Sri Vaishnava) response to Tripurari Swami's brief critical comments of Ramanujacarya's philosophy. The original post was called On Bhagavad Ramanuja's siddhanta wrt Gaudiya Vaishnava siddhanta. Tripurari Swami says that Ramanuja's concept of aprthak siddha involves "foregoing logic" which Anand finds objectionable. I do not understand the Swami's insight or views into that. Perhaps he can be asked on his own forum for details. The term "aprthak siddha" or inseparability is explained as a fundamental feature of Visista-advaita doctrine: The Visista metaphysics maintains that the substance and attribute are distinct but they are inherently related (aprthaksiddha)...This is the concept of visista or substance as intergrally related to its attribute. (SMS Char's Vaishnavism p. 170-171) Among the Vaishnava schools, there are those that stress the abheda or oneness (Ramanuja and Vallabha) and one that stresses the difference (bheda) which is Madhva. Then there are those that stress both equally which is Gaudiya and Nimbarka. Srila Vyasadeva has described the soul as being an "amsa" of the Lord rather than merely one or different from Him. Therefore, the fundamental relationship has to be understood as some sort of combination or compromise of the two concepts. The problem with Shankara and Madhva is that one set of texts (either bheda or abheda) are given primary importance and the others are either declared figurative or explained away by intricate logical interpretations. Neither of these allow Srila Vyasadeva's statements to speak for themselves. Sri Vaishnavas, to their credit, literally accept both bheda and abheda within their visista-advaita doctrine. However, in practice their theories of visista and aprthak siddha and sarira-sariri are very monistic, or greatly stress the oneness over the difference. The Maadhvas have shown that their monistic stress causes them to run into problems regarding understanding the perfection of the Lord and how He is distinct from the flaws of the souls. I believe it would be very valuable to understand some of the Maadhva's critiques of the Ramanuja school and show how our achintya-bheda-abheda does not run into those problems. The Nimbarka and Gaudiya interpretations are superior because they don't involve diminishing any of Srila Vyasadeva's statements regarding either bheda or abheda. One mundane scholar named VS Ghate published a comparative study of the various commentaries and concluded that Shankara and Madhva were more or less out in left field in terms of understanding Vedanta sutra and that Ramanuja's and Vallabha's were better. Interestingly he concluded that Nimbarka's doctrine of svabhavika-bheda-abheda did the most justice to Vedanta sutra. He did not examine the Gaudiya school. But the merits of Nimbarka's doctrine could easily be applied to our achintya-bheda-abheda. The distinction between Nimbarka and Gaudiya viewpoints coincidentally brings us into another issue that Anand raises in his post. The Gaudiya school (and Madhvas as well) explain that a substance and its attribute are identical (there are no internal differences). Thus the Lord is the same as His form, qualities, activities, etc. Nimbarka and all other Vaishnava schools differentiate between the Lord's form and the Lord Himself. The Sri Vaishnava author cited above explains: ....satya, jnana, and ananta are ... the essential charactaristics of Brahman. Each one is a distinctive dharma and it is also distinct from the substrate (brahmasvarupa) in which it inheres. In epistemological terms the essential characteristics of an entity are integrally related to the svarupa. The two are aprthak or inseparable. (Vaisnavaism, SMS Chari p. 170-171) The Madhva and Gaudiya schools have the concept of visesa mentioned in a now lost scripture called Brahmatarka, which affirms the absolute identity of an object and its quality. In our Gaudiya scriptures, the discussions of oneness of Krishna and His name, His form, His limbs as in Brahma samhita, are all different specific instances of this visesa concept. (As an aside, Advaitins and Jains also accept that a substance and its qualities are identical.) The Vedanta sutra 2.3.12-21 passage also discusses the oneness of the Lord and His own form and the lack of an internal differentiation. Unfortunately, this critical passage is (mis)taken by Ramanuja and Nimbarka to refer to some other topic (the relation of the Lord with the souls). The Maadhva's logical critique of their interpretation of that passage can be incorporated into a Gaudiya critique of them as well. Thus the Gaudiya doctrine of achintya-bheda-abheda could be explained as the most straightforward and logical interpretation of Vedanta, and as the best understanding accommodating bheda and abheda texts. ys Gerald Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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