Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 in your service, Aravind. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2003 Report Share Posted June 29, 2003 One way this question may be approached would be depending upon who is accepting the "establishment". In the purport to Chapter 2 Text 2 of Bhagavad Gita As It Is by Srila Prabhupada, he states that the use of the term of address for Krishna - "sri-bhagavan uvaca" - refers to Krishna's divinity as follows: "Krsna and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are identical. Therefore Lord Krsna is referred to as Bhagavan throughout the Gita." So in this case, it is established in the purport. If one prefers something more direct, Krishna makes several references to his being trancendental from this world such as in 3:22 wherein he states that [unlike] everyone else, there is no work prescribed for Him in this world; 4:6 that He posesses a transendental body; or even 5:29 wherein Krishna declares Himself to be the Supreme Lord. Despite this, however, Arjuna (acting in the capacity of an ordinary illusioned person) still expressed doubts 6:38 or as late as 8:2 where he addresses Krishna as Madhusudana (and it is explained that his questions are of the nature of doubts). It is not unitl 10: 12-13 that Arjuna emphatically states to Krishna that "YOU are the Supreme Personality of Godhead...". So for Arjuna, it appears that Krishna's divinity is not established unitl then. How about you Aravind? In (by) which verse are you satisfied that Krishna's divinity is firmly established ? ys, Santiparayana dasa - Aravind Mohanram achintya Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:16 PM Establishing Krishna's Transcendence Can someone kindly tell me the verse in the Gita in which for the first time, the transcendence/divinity of Krishna is established? in your service, Aravind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Thanks for the verses. Can it be said that the transcendence is established in BG 1.14 itself, wherein the conchshells of Krishna and even Arjuna are called 'divyau sankhau' compared to the those of Bhishma? I think it is very interesting that this is established from the very beginning of the Gita leaving no room for speculation about Krishna's transcendence. in your service, Aravind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Thanks for the verses. Can it be said that the transcendence is established in BG 1.14 itself, wherein the conchshells of Krishna and even Arjuna are called 'divyau sankhau' compared to the those of Bhishma? I think it is very interesting that this is established from the very beginning of the Gita leaving no room for speculation about Krishna's transcendence. in your service, Aravind. Hari Bol, As you have pointed out, in this verse BG 1:14, there is definately a connection with transcendance although it is Sanjaya speaking not Krishna. We, as devotees, may be inclined to accept this as a proof of Krishna's divinity, but there may be others who require more direct evidence. After all, in the few brief verses preceeding the one in question, it is not established what Sanjaya's authority is to establish Krishna's transcendence. He is describing the events of the battlefield from a distance to the blind Kind Dhrtarastra. The first chapter is usually described as setting the scene rather than presenting the philosophy, but at some point, it becomes subjective to the individual. It could also be argued that if Krishna's divinity is established so quickly, then why so much time is spent belaboring other points for several chapters before Arjuna firmly declares his accptence. ys, Sanitparyana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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