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One way this question may be approached would be depending upon who is accepting

the "establishment".  In the purport to Chapter 2 Text 2 of Bhagavad Gita As It

Is by Srila Prabhupada, he states that the use of the term of address for

Krishna  - "sri-bhagavan uvaca" - refers to Krishna's divinity as follows: 

"Krsna and the Supreme Personality of Godhead are identical.  Therefore Lord

Krsna is referred to as Bhagavan throughout the Gita."  So in this case, it is

established in the purport. If one prefers something more direct, Krishna makes

several references to his being trancendental from this world such as in 3:22

wherein he states that [unlike] everyone else, there is no work prescribed for

Him in this world; 4:6 that He posesses a transendental body; or even 5:29

wherein Krishna declares Himself to be the Supreme Lord.  Despite this,

however, Arjuna (acting in the capacity of an ordinary illusioned person) still

expressed doubts 6:38 or as late as 8:2 where he addresses Krishna as

Madhusudana (and it is explained that his questions are of the nature of

doubts).  It is not unitl 10: 12-13 that Arjuna emphatically states to Krishna

that "YOU are the Supreme Personality of Godhead...".  So for Arjuna, it

appears that Krishna's divinity is not established unitl then.  How about you

Aravind?  In (by) which verse are you satisfied that Krishna's divinity is

firmly established ?

 

ys, Santiparayana dasa

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Aravind Mohanram

achintya

Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:16 PM

Establishing Krishna's Transcendence

Can someone kindly tell me the verse in the Gita in which for the first

time, the transcendence/divinity of Krishna is established?

 

in your service,

 

Aravind.

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Thanks for the verses. Can it be said that the transcendence is established in

BG 1.14 itself, wherein the conchshells of Krishna and even Arjuna are called

'divyau sankhau' compared to the those of Bhishma? I think it is very

interesting that this is established from the very beginning of the Gita

leaving no room for speculation about Krishna's transcendence.

 

in your service,

Aravind.

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Thanks for the verses. Can it be said that the transcendence is established in

BG 1.14 itself, wherein the conchshells of Krishna and even Arjuna are called

'divyau sankhau' compared to the those of Bhishma? I think it is very

interesting that this is established from the very beginning of the Gita

leaving no room for speculation about Krishna's transcendence.

 

in your service,

Aravind.

Hari Bol,

As you have pointed out, in this verse BG 1:14, there is definately a

connection with transcendance although it is Sanjaya speaking not Krishna. We,

as devotees, may be inclined to accept this as a proof of Krishna's divinity,

but there may be others who require more direct evidence. After all, in the

few brief verses preceeding the one in question, it is not established what

Sanjaya's authority is to establish Krishna's transcendence. He is describing

the events of the battlefield from a distance to the blind Kind Dhrtarastra.

The first chapter is usually described as setting the scene rather than

presenting the philosophy, but at some point, it becomes subjective to the

individual. It could also be argued that if Krishna's divinity is established

so quickly, then why so much time is spent belaboring other points for several

chapters before Arjuna firmly declares his accptence.

 

ys, Sanitparyana

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