Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 >Why has SP given example of Lord Shiva as one who couldn't control >his senses ? Lord Shiva is known to be a great devotee of Lord >Vishnu. Vaishnava yatham sambhu....... How is then mentioning Lord >shivas' name in this context acceptable ? And another thing I >remember from seeing Shiva Mahapuran serial on DD in india that >Kartikeya was needed at that time to help devtas win over asurs. It >is not that Lord Shiva fell to lusty desire like Vishwamitra did in >front of menka. Also, we should remember skanda or kartikeya is a >vibhuti of Lord Krishna. BG 10.24 >"Of priests, O Arjuna, know Me to be the chief, Brhaspati, the lord >of devotion. Of generals I am Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies >of water I am the ocean." Dear Prabhu, That the skandha avatar was required is the version of the tamasa puranas. I do not know the version of the sattvic puranas. Even going by the version of the tamasic puranas, it is that Lord Shiva's potency is necessary. But then, no body bothered about going to Lord Vishnu. It is assumed there that Lord Shiva is far suprior to Lord Vishnu.That is the problem in undertaking puranic/ shastric studies without guidance. Regarding Lord Karthikeya being the Vibhuti of Krishna, there are so many vibhutis, including the banyan tree or the month Margazhi or gambling! In fact if someone is a great orator, even that is Krishna's vibhuti. Krishna is only giving an indication of His vibhuti in this material universe.(Mama Tejo'msa sambhavam) Regarding Lord shiva going under illusion, even Lord Brahma was put under illusion. It is for us to understand that as soon as we think we are independent of the Lord, immediately we are put under illusion, however great we may be. Dasan Narasimhan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 achintya, ranganathan narasimhan <simhan74> wrote: > Dear Prabhu, > > That the skandha avatar was required is the version of the tamasa puranas. I do not know the version of the sattvic puranas. Even going by the version of the tamasic puranas, it is that Lord Shiva's potency is necessary. But then, no body bothered about going to Lord Vishnu. It is assumed there that Lord Shiva is far suprior to Lord Vishnu.That is the problem in undertaking puranic/ shastric studies without guidance. > > Regarding Lord Karthikeya being the Vibhuti of Krishna, there are so many vibhutis, including the banyan tree or the month Margazhi or gambling! In fact if someone is a great orator, even that is Krishna's vibhuti. Krishna is only giving an indication of His vibhuti in this material universe.(Mama Tejo'msa sambhavam) > > Regarding Lord shiva going under illusion, even Lord Brahma was put under illusion. It is for us to understand that as soon as we think we are independent of the Lord, immediately we are put under illusion, however great we may be. > > Dasan > > Narasimhan > Well sir thanks for giving me that respect. But please don't call me Sri, since I am younger than you. Prabhu is fine. This is my question: Lord Shiva is topmost vaishnava. This is verdict of Bhagavata. He is also a mahajan. Again its verdict of bhagavata. If Lord Krishna extends his maya over a devotee for purpose of his lila then its understood, but if devotee percieves independence like mayic jivas then how can he be called mahajan or vaishnavam yatham sambhu. How can parvati tempt Lord Shiva into lust etc... ? Remember Lord Shiva isn't jivatma. So that is why i ask why has SP given example of Lord Shiva as one who couldn't control his senses ? Lord Shiva is an established devotee of Lord Vishnu and he is also known as Gopeshvara Mahadeva. How can some one who is capable of entering rasa lila of Sri Krishna be attracted to lust etc..... How come he couldn't control his senses ? Or you would want to say that there was an accidental fall down in case of Lord Shiva ? "You must understand the context in which SP presents the example of Lord Shiva and Haridasa. ----> Sense Control." Its a well known fact from bhagavata, that he who understands Rasa Lila of Lord Krishna can never be affected by kama[lust]. So again how come Lord Shivas example is valid in this context.[Context being Sense Control.] http://www.vina.cc/stories/PHILOSOPHICAL/2002/12/gopeshwar_mahadev.htm l Lord Shiva is gaurdian of Rasa lila how can he be ever attracted to material lust. Between i agree if Krishna wants to sway Lord Shiva by his maya then its fine and acceptable, but how come Lord Shiva will do it independently out of his own consent. Your Servant Always Sumeet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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