Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, sumeet1981 wrote: > Explaining "Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto > Me" > SP comments: > "The Lord has described various kinds of knowledge, processes of > religion, knowledge of the Supreme Brahman, knowledge of the > Supersoul, knowledge of the different types of orders and statuses of > social life, knowledge of the renounced order of life, knowledge of > nonattachment, sense and mind control, meditation, etc. He has > described in so many ways different types of religion. Now, in > summarizing Bhagavad-gita, the Lord says that Arjuna should give up > all the processes that have been explained to him; he should simply > surrender to Krsna. " > And then He writes: > "According to the devotional process, one should simply accept such > religious principles that will lead ultimately to the devotional > service of the Lord." > > Now all the processes he listed above how come they are inimical to > devotional service of Lord ? Pranams, Sumeet. Jaya Srila Prabhupada! Hare Krsna. Thank you for presenting such a wonderful question. Actually, you've raised an important range of related concerns so large that it's difficult to know where even to start. I don't know very much about devotional service (and I've realized even less), but I'll try to at least address some of these points as you bring them up. Hopefully the more enlightened ones will elaborate more. If there's a general answer to the specific question above, it's that the various abovementioned modes of approaching Krsna are based on one's own qualification (adhikara), which is itself determined mainly by the magnitude of one's desire to attain Krsna. Hence, Rupa Gosvami says, intense greed for pure bhakti is ultimately the only thing necessary (Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila, 8.70). We are advised to accept things favorable and rejects unfavorable to this pure devotion. Such will always be highly relative to our own conditioning. One's specific and personal adhikara will necessitate a particular emphasis--as a matter of conditional strategy--and must be arbitrated by one's bonafide spiritual master, i.e., a pure devotee. Early on in Bhagavad-gita, Krsna thus advises accepting such a guru, because anyone who seriously tries to apply Krsna’s teachings will realize that in order to do so, such a guide is a practical necessity--as well as one’s personal sponsor into Krsna’s personal entourage. > I can understand that impersonal jnana > and any sort of activity done keeping an eye on its fruit and > acknowledging doership is certainly inimical to devotional service of > Lord, but other than these how are the rest of the processes inimical > to Lord Krishna's devotional service. Karma and jnana are very broad categories, into which all materially tinged activities may be placed, including even dharma and yoga. So there’s not really any scope for “other than these” two. > Also, dharmas like stri dharma, putra dharma, pati dharma etc > etc..... are what maintains proper order in the society by telling us > what is to be done and what is not be done. Lord Krishna also > indicated that in deciding what should be done and what shouldn't be > done sastras are supreme authority. So if we give up acting all these > dharmas won't there be a chaos in the world and society ? Yes--if we do so against Krsna's will. However, if everyone works in perfect accord with Krsna's will, there can only be perfect harmony. Of course, in this world, that's almost always only an ideal, but it's nonetheless one that we've been encouraged to attain, while we have the means. And we do. Srila Prabhupada encouraged varnasrama throughout his books, and one of his final instructions was that his disciples should establish it now. So for most of us, there isn’t really any big dichotomy between that and total surrender to pure devotional service anyway. It's worth noting that although Lord Krsna acknowledges that one who is fully Krsna conscious has no need to perform such duties (Gita 3.17), he also points out (Gita 7.3, 7.19) that such persons are rare enough to render that principle moot, pratically. Moreover, He emphasizes that, given the reality of most people's base propensities, sustainable Krsna conscousness largely rests on the substrate of sinless, virtuous behavior (7.27-28). That's particularly germane for those of us socialized in the modern, demoniac societies that now predominate and jeopardize this planet. For example, we all need to take into account the reality that in this world someone else gets AIDS every 14 seconds, and we need to act accordingly. It comes as no surprise that in the following verse (18.67), Krsna cautions against preaching the abandonment of all dharmas to those without adhikara. People hardly need to “renounce” rules they can’t follow to begin with, as much as “transcending mere piety” hardly has relevance in a society of ignorant sinners. Since a solid example is always better than lofty precepts, the Lord (who sets one Himself, a la Gita 3.22), also reminds us of how consequential the actions of any leader are—even regarding this very question (3.20-21). That said, because bhakti is both powerful beyond calculation and dynamic, anyone who takes it up seriously can be very quickly elevated (cf. Bhagavata, 2.4.8 and 2.8.4). We must do so too, or we will inadvertently mislead others. It is also possible to get stuck in the dharmas more appropriate for those less devotionally inclined (i.e., for those whose adhikara is less), if one isn’t guided very well. This is why Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami can even call dharma “ignorant cheating” (Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.90). We also know that due to its subtle nature, sattva-guna is practically the most pernicious of the three material modes. Sattvika attachments become difficult to even detect--what to speak of rooting them out—especially since Vyasa has given them ample encouragement even in scripture. In sum, the lesser dharmas mentioned in Srila Prabhupada's 18.66 purport are not at all equal to pure bhakti (cf. Caitanya-caritamrta, 7.84-5), even though they most often act as its foundation. In short, dharma is ultimately like so many “zeros” that are useless unless the “one” of Krsna consciousness is placed in front of them. And ultimately, dharma is whatever Krsna says it is anyway (Bhagavata, 6.3.19). Everyone simply has to make Krsna his or her exclusive refuge, by doing whatever that takes. My understanding is that Srila Prabhupada felt varnasrama was practically necessary for our spiritual advancement. As for the fact that every endeavor is marred by flaws of some sort (Gita 18.48) and that this is no exception, see his purports to Gita 3.30 and especially 3.31. > If we > simply abandon all such dharmas then from where will we get > information on what should be done and what shouldn't be done ? Of course, as always, sastra is the ultimate resource for material and spiritual knowledge (Vedanta-sutra, 1.1.3; Gita 16.24, etc., etc.). However, the sastras are many and varied. Lord Caitanya concluded (Cc. Madhya-lila, 17.85-6): “A devotee’s behavior establishes the true purpose of religious principles. The behavior of Mädhavendra Puré Gosvämé is the essence of such religious principles.” Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu continued, “‘Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the sastras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahäjanas advocate.’” > How is Shuddha Bhakti or pure devotional service defined ? The mahajana Sri Prahlada maharaja said (Bhagavata, 7.5.32): “Unless they smear upon their bodies the dust of the lotus feet of a Vaiñëava completely freed from material contamination, persons very much inclined toward materialistic life cannot be attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, who is glorified for His uncommon activities. Only by becoming Kåñëa conscious and taking shelter at the lotus feet of the Lord in this way can one be freed from material contamination.” Again, beyond the general definition you’ve probably already heard (anyabhilasita-sunyam, etc.), to define Krsna consciousness personally, in terms of what any particular individual should do--is exactly what bonafide spiritual masters are meant for. In all cases, though, Krsna consciousness comes through the mercy of the Lord or His pure devotees and is a standard process in general. The principles of Krsna consciousness are always one, though specific details of their application may vary, according to the time, place, circumstances, individual qualifications, and the insights of various acaryas. I hope this helps. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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