Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 The following text from R. Venkataramani makes some interesting points that Achintya-ites may like to address. it is nice to read the erudite discussion that his holiness sivarama swami had with the sankaracharya. it is saddening to hear that one who is a sankaracharya is calling the name and form of sri govinda are temporary, while adi sankara has asserted that the lord is eternal - satyam jnanam anantam nityam (sri govindashtakam). sadguna brahman means it is eternal or else it could not be called brahman. if krishna is maya, there is no need for the adi sankara to worship him. no other acharya but sankara has explicitly said (focussing on our lord sri krishna) "ekam devo devaki putra eva" (there is no god but the son of sri govinda, the sone of devaki. there is no sastra but the song of sri govinda, bhagavad gita. there is no activity but serving sri govinda. there is no mantra but the chanting of the names of sri govinda. to some extent i realize, the great devotion that each one in this forum is blessed with and request you to show your mercy that i become increasingly attached to sri govinda and chant his names properly, which is the reason for my joining this forum. however, permit me to defend sankara to prevent his great philosophy of pure devotion and absolute knowledge from being criticized because of potential flaws in the followers, which are present in all traditions due to the influence of time. the commentary of sri sankara is simple and direct on verse 14.27. that by worshipping the lord one comes to the brahman platform is stated in 14.26. according to sankara why this is so (given that generally forms are considered to be illusory) is explained in 14.27. the lord (brahman) is established in the self. use of brahman to refer to the lord is consistent with vedanta sutras and upanishads. also as the lord is referring not only to himself (in the form of krishna) but also his other personalities such as rama he is using brahman to refer to himself. thus it is appropriate to consider brahman (lord) is the subject both contextually & grammatically. the rest of the verse talks about the quality of this brahman (lord) namely eternality, ultimate bliss (raso vai sah), imperishability etc., which are reasons for a mumukshu to worship the lord. that the lord gives this state to the devotee indicates his mercy. i dont see what the flaw is in sankara's commentary and why he should be blasted while he is asking us to worship the lord. philosophy is an intellectual level framework, the acharyas provide us with to understand the incomprehensible absolute and impel us towards liberation. the vaishnava philosophies and the acharyas are noble for that. devotees, who dont intend to belittle sankara's achievements or his philosophy are requested not to read further on. but if one propounds that his tradition has the correct conclusion and is more ancient than sankara's, then let them please defend their faith. 1. 14.27 should continue what was spoken in 14.26 or else there is a defect of incoherance, which is not possible in the words of the lord. therefore, 14.27 should describe the lord or the brahman platform that was talked about in the previous verse. 14.26 talks about a pure devotee attaining brahman. as per gaudiyas, a pure devotee does not desire sayujya mukti. therefore how can 14.27 talk about brahma jyoti ? 2. also, how can gaudiyas assign qualities such as ultimate happiness to brahman having said that it is devoid of ananda ? one may say that is sukha and not ananda that is referred to in the verse and so it is not a defect. but then the pure devotees would not benefit from attaining such a platform. 3. the gaudiyas may defend saying that the verse 14.27 clarifies the difference between brahman platform (goloka) referred to in 14.26 and the brahma jyoti. but having not talked about brahma jyoti anywhere before in the gita, there is no need for clarifying. 4. also how can we defend the statement by hh sivarama swami maharaja that brahman is "disposable", when the lord says that brahman is eternal. 5. the different vaishnava acharyas have different interpretation of what is referred to by brahman in verse 14.27 and therefore why is there is a contention with sankara's alone ? each acharya purports based on his realization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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