more on liberation. siva & liberation. Shiva is not the same as Vishnu

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achintya, "dhani" <dhannyganesh> wrote:

> http://bhagavatam.net/4/4/15

>

> You are envious of Lord Siva, who is the friend of all living

> entities within the three worlds. For the common man he fulfills

all

> desires, and because of their engagement in thinking of his lotus

> feet, he also blesses higher personalities who are seeking after

> brahmananda [transcendental bliss]

>

> purport: "...those who are disgusted or frustrated with the

> materialistic way of life worship Lord Siva to attain salvation,

> which entails freedom from material identification. One who

> understands that he is not the material body but is spirit soul is

> liberated from ignorance. Lord Siva also offers that facility.

People

> generally practice religion for economic development, to get some

> money, for by getting money they can satisfy their senses. But

when

> they are frustrated they want spiritual brahmananda, or merging

into

> the Supreme. These four principles of material life — religion,

> economic development, sense gratification and liberation —

exist,

and

> Lord Siva is the friend of both the ordinary man and the man who

is

> elevated in spiritual knowledge. Thus it was not good for Daksa to

> create enmity towards him. Even Vaisnavas, who are above both the

> ordinary and the elevated men in this world, also worship Lord

Siva

> as the greatest Vaisnava. Thus he is the friend of everyone —

the

> common men, the elevated men and the devotees of the Lord — so

no

one

> should disrespect or create enmity towards Lord Siva"

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http://mandala.com.au/brhad/2_3.htm

 

Sanatana Gosvami's Brhad Bhagavatamrtam

 

part 2 chap 3

 

"56 He laughed and said: "O cowherd boy, O devotee worshipper of

Lord Gopala, you don't know Lord Shiva, who is the Lord of the

universes...

57 ...who gives both material pleasures and liberation, who

increases devotion to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is

worshipped by the liberated souls, and who is dear to the

Vaishnavas?"

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aside on nondifference:

 

"58-9 "Conquered by the devotion of his friend Kuvera, from his

own abode, which is like himself, and which is attained by the

devotion of they who see that Lord Shiva and Lord Krsna are not

different, he is now going, along with his beloved Parvati and his

many associates, to decorate Mount Kailasa."

61 Understanding my heart, Lord Shiva gave a meaningful glance

to Nandi. Nandi then explained to me the pure truth, which was at

once manifested before me.

Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that the fact that Lord Krsna

and Lord Shiva are not different was the truth manifested to Gopa-

kumara.

62 The truth was that Lord Shiva, who increases one's love for

Lord Krsna, is not different from Lord Madana-Gopala, my Lord, who

is more dear to me than life.

63 I happily joined their company and all of Lord Shiva's

associates treated me well. From Sri Nandi I heard of Lord Shiva's

extraordinary glories.

64 Always in the same form, Lord Shiva stays in his own abode

eternally. There he is always seen by his devotees, who have faith

in him alone, and who are pleased to stay in his abode.

65 He is always filled with devotion for Lord Krsna, who is not

different from him. With singing, dancing, and other pastimes he

delights his associates.

66 Although he is the Lord of the universes, Lord Shiva always

worships thousand-headed Lord Sesa with great love, as if he were

His servant.

Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that this is described in Srimad-

Bhagavatam 5.17.16.

67 Even though I became very happy to hear of the supreme

glories of Shivaloka, still I noticed that my heart felt empty.

Srila Sanatana Gosvami explains that Gopa-kumara still yearned

to see the lotus feet of Lord Madana-Gopala.

68 Thinking about the reason for this, by the power of my

service to the mantra my guru gave, I suddenly understood.

69 The absence of the pastimes and glories of Lord Madana-

Gopala's lotus feet gave me pain.

70 Then I told my mind that because he is the same as Lord

Madana-Gopala, Lord Shiva himself has performed these wonderful

pastimes, although in a different form"

[Guest guest]

How is this reconciled with the idea that only Lord Vishnu is the giver of liberation (mukunda).

 

in your service,

Aravind. dhani <dhannyganesh > wrote:

achintya, "dhani" <dhannyganesh> wrote:>

http://bhagavatam.net/4/4/15> > You are envious of Lord Siva, who is the friend

of all living > entities within the three worlds. For the common man he fulfills

all > desires, and because of their engagement in thinking of his lotus > feet,

he also blesses higher personalities who are seeking after > brahmananda

[transcendental bliss]> > purport: "...those who are disgusted or frustrated

with the > materialistic way of life worship Lord Siva to attain salvation, >

which entails freedom from material identification. One who > understands that

he is not the material body but is spirit soul is > liberated from ignorance.

Lord Siva also offers that facility.

---http://mandala.com.au/brhad/2_3.htmSanatana

Gosvami's Brhad Bhagavatamrtam part 2 chap 3"56 He laughed and said: "O

cowherd boy, O devotee worshipper of Lord Gopala, you don't know Lord Shiva,

who is the Lord of the universes... 57 ...who gives both material pleasures

and liberation, who increases devotion to the Supreme Personality of Godhead,

who is worshipped by the liberated souls, and who is dear to the Vaishnavas?"

 

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