Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Haribol Krishna prabhu, Thanks for the reply. Are you suggesting that the *verse* should be rewritten, or only the BBT purport to the verse? Please clarify. >>The BBT'S Purport, although there is also minor difference in the verse quoted in the book and BBT edition.While I suppose everyone is free to interpret according to their standards of their respective traditions, I must point out that there is absolutely *nothing* in the original Sanskrit that specifically points to the Alvars. >> All the rivers that are mentioned are in proximity to the birth places of the Alvars. Here is the verse and translation given in Dr. S.M.S.Chari's (the author of the book, and a highly reputed scholar) book, kalau khalu bhavisyanti narayana-parayanah; kvacin-kvacin-mahaabhaaga draamidesu ca bhurishah; taampraparni nadi yatra krtamaalaa payasvini; kaveri ca mahaabhaagaa pratici ca mahaanadi. " In the beginning of Kaliyuga persons exclusively devoted to Narayana and endowed with spiritual knowledge will be born here and there but in large numbers in the land of the Dravidas where flow the rivers Tampraparni, Krtamala (Vaigai), Payasvini (Paalaar), the holy Kaveri, and the Mahanadhi (Periyaar) which runs westwards" Following which, he says, "It maybe noted that Nammaalvaar and Madhurakavi were born on the banks of Taampraparni, Periyaalvaar, and Andaal in a place close to Vaigai, Poygai Alvaar, Putattalvaar, Peyaalvaar and Tirumalisai Alvaar near the Paalaar, and Tondaradippodi Alvaar, Tiruppaanaalvaar and Tirumangai Alvaar on the banks of Kaveri." The translation is a bit different from the BBT's version, but there are mainly two parts to it, that, 1) There will appear numerous followers of Narayana in South India 2) These Vaishnavas will appear near these Holy rivers and according to Vedanta Desika and other scholars like Dr. Chari, this clearly refers to the Alvaars. The verse does *not* say that these inhabitants of Satya-yuga will *only* be born in South India, only that they will be more plentiful there. The words "kvachit kvachit" indicate that they will be all over, albeit more plentiful in South India (draviDeShu cha bhuurishaH) >>> No one said it (devotees in kali-yuga) refers only to the Alvaars. But, primarily it does refer to them, because of the reasons given above. It is a fact that the BBT has not followed the Sri Vaishnava commentary in many areas. Why? Because, simply put, Gaudiiyas are under no compulsion to follow the commentaries of any other Vaishnavas other than their own. And certainly not with regards to the Bhaagavatam, which isn't even given its due by members of other sampradaayas. Sri Vaishnavas actually give more emphasis to Vishnu Puraana as a matter of tradition. >>> This is not about following a commentary of another sampradaya - this is about identifying the facts and stating them. Alvaars are exalted devotees of the Lord, and if we Gaudiyas claim to be the servant of the servant of the servant, there is certainly no shame in glorifying the Alvaars. Just because, Sri Vaishnavas don't give enough importance to SB, doesn't mean we have to take the same attitude. This cannot diminish the value of SB, either. In this verse, we are not even glorifying the philosophy of these Alvaars, but just their qualification as pure devotees of Lord Narayana (note: the verse specifically says Narayana, and the Alvaars were indeed followers of Narayana). So, why such close-mindedness? Prabhupada does quote from Viiraraaghavaachaarya, the Sri Vaishnava Bhaagavatam commentator, from time to time in his Bhaktivedanta Purports. This should not be seen as tacit approval of every philosophical point in the other's commentary, but rather as liberal & generous acknowledgement of shared points of view in some instances. You can be certain that Viiraraaghavaachaarya does not agree with the Gaudiiya commentary to SB 1.3.28, for instance. Frankly, I'm not losing any sleep over it either. >> Please note that this canto was written by Prabhupada's young disciples and not Prabhupada himself. It is possible that they failed to glorify the Alvaars and just stuck to SP's purports and placed more emphasis on harinama and Chaitanya's benediction, which is certainly not wrong. Srila Prabhupada himself glorified Ramanujacharya in so many places, because, although there maybe philosophical differences, real vaishnavas never lose a chance to glorify others. The final paragraph, discussing the devotees who drink the waters of the sacred rivers of South India, simply talks about how one should not underestimate people living in such places simply because they appear to be materially less well off. >>> I don't understand this explanation. These (places near these great rivers) were places of prosperity, weren't they, atleast in olden days? and further, the purport says, "Although the residents of South India are generally Śrī Vaiṣṇavas, or devotees in the Lakṣmī-sampradāya, they are recognized as devotees of the Lord by the followers of Caitanya Mahāprabhu." The Sri Vaishnavas need no recognition, but the Gaudiyas do, having come later, atleast historically. in your service, Aravind. Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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