Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Please accept my humble obeisances. In BHagavtam third canto, while describing the fight between Hiranyaksha and Lord varahadeva, it is said that when the both fighters smelled the blood on the bodies of each other, their vigour to fight increased and they fought more ferociously. The acharyas explain that the Lord's form is spiritual when he descends in different incarnations.How do we reconclie this truth with the above mentioned incident? Also in Mahabharata we find that when Bhishma was shooting arrows at Arjuna some of the arrows peirced the body of Krishna and they caused wounds and bleeding in his body and the Lord regarded them as the bites of a lover. How come there is bleeding and wounds on the body of the all- spiritual Lord? I request the devotees of teh forum to explain this point. Your servant, L.Harikumar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 achintya, lakshminarayanan harikumar <lharikumar2002> wrote: > Hare Krishna, > Please accept my humble obeisances. In BHagavtam third canto, while describing the fight between Hiranyaksha and Lord varahadeva, it is said that when the both fighters smelled the blood on the bodies of each other, their vigour to fight increased and they fought more ferociously. The acharyas explain that the Lord's form is spiritual when he descends in different incarnations.How do we reconclie this truth with the above mentioned incident? > > Also in Mahabharata we find that when Bhishma was shooting arrows at Arjuna some of the arrows peirced the body of Krishna and they caused wounds and bleeding in his body and the Lord regarded them as the bites of a lover. > > How come there is bleeding and wounds on the body of the all- spiritual Lord? > > I request the devotees of teh forum to explain this point. > > Your servant, > L.Harikumar. > the lord takes a human form and it appears to be exactly like any other human,Not that it isn't spiritual though. What is a spiritual body ? It is a body that is engaged in eternal activities, the concept of maya sakti or the material energy is based on the temporary nature of the material energy, all actions done under the illusory potency of Maya Sakti are considered temporary and therefore material, the same substance say a body or a table or an apple if used in its eternal function by a realized soul is not a material substance. If i am ignorant of the eternal spiritual truth and live my life based on temporary considerations of gaining advancement of wealth ,health,and happiness then i live under the auspices of Maha Maya,all things and actions are considered material or materialistic. If I am fully aware of the eternal truth and utlilize all resources in the knowledge and application of that truth then I live under the auspices of the internal energy or Yoga Maya, so the same thing is either spiritual or material depending on how we relate to it,the energy of the lord is one substance yet it is either utilized with knowledge and auspisciousness or utilized for temporary benefit in ignorance of the absolute truth. so Krishna's body or other things may appear to be made of matter but in fact they are spiritual because they are utilized in the eternal function full of bliss and knowledge, matter and spirit are both the essentially the same substance or the energy of God,when the energy of God is used in eternal transcendental activites it is spiritual and when it is used for temporary ignorant activities it is material. http://groups.msn.com/VrajaSanghaSamiti/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 -- In achintya, lakshminarayanan harikumar <lharikumar2002> wrote: > How come there is bleeding and wounds on the body of the all- spiritual Lord? > > I request the devotees of teh forum to explain this point. There is no contradiction between His appearance of "bleeding" and His sat-chit-aananda vigraha. The Lord can manifest signs of apparent injury if He so desires, for the sake of the pastime. In Nectar of Devotion, I believe Srila Prabhupada explains the "injured" appearance of Krishna due to Bhiishma's shooting of arrows at Him as a manifestation of the "chivalry" rasa between the Lord and His devotee Bhiishma. Needless to say, maayaavaadis will try to argue that these instances prove that the Lord's body is in fact material. However, blood is not vishuddha-sattva in any context, and as the Lord's body is, they would have a hard time trying to explain this contradiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, krishna_susarla wrote: > lakshminarayanan harikumar< lharikumar2002> wrote: > > How come there is bleeding and wounds on the body of the all- > spiritual Lord? > > There is no contradiction between His appearance of "bleeding" and > His sat-chit-aananda vigraha. The Lord can manifest signs of apparent > injury if He so desires, for the sake of the pastime. Likewise, sometimes the Lord appears to manifest much worse (SB 10.8.31): “Sometimes, being angry, Krsna passes urine and stool in a neat, clean place in our houses. But now, our dear friend Yasoda, this expert thief is sitting before you like a very good boy.” MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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