Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 which library can i find the critical edition of kalisantarana upanishad ? both recensions. i am in india and have access to libraries in the usa also. also i want to have access to scholarly study on the source of differences between recensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram wrote: which library can i find the critical edition of kalisantarana upanishad ? both recensions. i am in india and have access to libraries in the usa also. also i want to have access to scholarly study on the source of differences between recensions. Hare krishna, There was a French professor, Srila Prabhupada's contemporary, who had translated many vedic literatures into French and one among them was Kali Santarana Upanishad. He also met Srila Prabhupada in France. He accepted the Upanishad as bonafide(the way Srila Prabhupada presented it). If someone can search the folio, we can get the reference. My notebook is down & I can't access it right now. Dasa Narasimhan Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2004 Report Share Posted August 21, 2004 thanks for the response. i dont doubt the validity of the upanishad. all along i was under the impression that the original mantra starting with hare rama was changed as there was opposition from caste brahmins. i found that there is no evidence for this and it is also confirmed by krishna_susarla. only gaudiyas and smarthas chant mahamantra as far as i know. please correct me if i am wrong. the smarthas chant starting with hare rama where as gaudiyas chant hare krishna. krishna_susarla mentioned that there are two recensions of this upanishad - one in north india and one in south india. i wanted to look at the original critical edition. also, i wanted to understand the real reason for the change in the mantra between gaudiyas and smarthas. so my question which library can i find the critical edition of kalisantarana upanishad ? any help in this regard is appreciated. achintya, ranganathan narasimhan <simhan74> wrote: > > > Rajaram Venkataramani <v_raja_ram> wrote: > > which library can i find the critical edition of kalisantarana upanishad ? both recensions. i am in india and have access to libraries in the usa also. also i want to have access to scholarly study on the source of differences between recensions. > > Hare krishna, > There was a French professor, Srila Prabhupada's contemporary, who had translated many vedic literatures into French and one among them was Kali Santarana Upanishad. He also met Srila Prabhupada in France. He accepted the Upanishad as bonafide (the way Srila Prabhupada presented it). If someone can search the folio, we can get the reference. My notebook is down & I can't access it right now. > > Dasa > > Narasimhan > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2004 Report Share Posted August 22, 2004 achintya, "v_raja_ram" <v_raja_ram> wrote: > thanks for the response. i dont doubt the validity of the upanishad. > all along i was under the impression that the original mantra > starting with hare rama was changed as there was opposition from > caste brahmins. i found that there is no evidence for this and it is > also confirmed by krishna_susarla. Just a point of clarification - I am speaking on the basis of what I know. I am certainly not an oracle who can independently "confirm" anything. All I know (and I am open to correction on this point), is that I am not aware of any canonical reference in the Gaudiiya tradition substantiating this idea that Chaitanya "changed" the mahaa- mantra. For that matter, I am not even aware of Him ever having quoted the Kali-santaarana Upanishad by name. But again, I am open to correct on these points. only gaudiyas and smarthas chant > mahamantra as far as i know. please correct me if i am wrong. the > smarthas chant starting with hare rama where as gaudiyas chant hare > krishna. This is correct, based on my admittedly limited experience. krishna_susarla mentioned that there are two recensions of > this upanishad - one in north india and one in south india. There may be more than two. Again, all I know is that there are at least two recensions, the "hare raama..." one being "South Indian" while the "hare kR^iShNa...." one being "North Indian.South" and "North" here denoting the general sphere of influence of the traditions which carry these upanishads... nothing else sectarian or mundane was implied by the designation. i wanted > to look at the original critical edition. What exactly do you mean by a "critical edition?" Scholars have published critical editions of some smriti texts (like Mahaabhaarata) owing to different recensions with (apparently) significant differences between them. The underlying premise behind these efforts is that there was originally only one edition of the text in question, and thus a critical edition should be an attempt to reconstitute what this "original" version was. A critical edition may either be all inclusive (including material from every different recension on the theory that there was no interpolation in any of them), or selective (meaning that they include only the common elements from each recension, on the theory that the extraneous material in some recensions is interpolated). Please note that while the assumptions underlying each approach are not wholly arbitrary, neither are they beyond reasonable scrutiny. But a shruti is different, since by definition it is passed on in the oral tradition and should not be changed in any way. Some shrutis like Rig Veda are accepted by everyone as shruti because they are passed down in multiple different traditions (relatively) unchanged. The question gets trickier when you are dealing with something like Kali-santaarana or any of the other less well known Upanishads. Theoretically, they should still be available via the oral tradition. Can you locate even one sampradaaya that still passes them down in the oral fashion? If so, can you locate another, different sampradaaya that teaches the exact same Upanishad? If you can, you probably have a genuine shruti, and the answer to your question is what you hear from the authorities. However, even being passed down in the oral tradition does not preclude differences from one tradition to the text. You are no doubt familiar with Shatapatha Braahmana, a bona fide shruti as far as everyone is concerned. Yet it exists in Kaanva and Madhyandina recensions. Similarly, the Yajur Veda exists in Krishna and Shukla versions. Why? I do not know, but no one would deny these are shrutis. So, if you are looking for that "one,authoritative," version of Kali-santaarana Upanishad that is accepted by everyone, I think you are going to run into the same kinds of problems. What criteria will you use to judge which tradition has the correct version? For that matter, why can there not be more than one? The answers to these questions should be clear and beyond reasonable challenge, if you are going to arbitrarily designate one version or the other as the "correct" one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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