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Aravind,

 

What are some other examples of things you feel Prabhupada may have

said that are taken too seriously on the grounds of "guru

infallibility" theory? This might help us provide context for the

discussion.

 

As far as the faked moon landing thing, I don't recall reading

anything by Prabhupada in which he gave the definitive "Fake Moon

Landing Conspiracy" theory. What I recall reading is simply that he

expressed doubt about it based on the Vedic view that Chandra Loka

could only be attained by pious deeds and performance of appropriate

sacrifices. Sadaputa dasa later wrote something in _Vedic Astronomy

and Cosmography_ in which he reconciled the two possibilities by

invoking multidimensional theory.

 

By the way, for those who wish to argue in favor "Faked Moon

Landing," please consider reviewing the following link

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html which answers many

of the commonly held scientific misconceptions used to argue against

moon landings having taken place.

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Hare Krishna,

 

Aravind i wouldn't judge infallibility of a guru on basis of moon

landing and like utterances. A lot about this statement has been

over blown by various devotees. Some devotees come and tell me that

SP challenged Scientists to prove that they landed on moon, while

truth remains that SP simply voiced a doubt based on vedas as

krishna prabhu has pointed. Many devotees have a tendency to

embellish stories with their own creation and then pass them around.

 

To be frank you should keep your question to philosophical realm. I

mean concerned with knowledge of tattvas - iswara, jiva, prakriti

and their mutual relationship and sadhana to mukti and nature of

mukti itself. Issues other than these are not good ones to judge a

Guru. A Guru is specifically meant to inform us about these issues.

Once you realize these basic principles you will develop a common

sense[unique to a person who has clear understanding of

fundamentals] and can apply it to various situations in life. I mean

you will intutively know how to apply something you have learnt from

a Guru.

 

So in short if you want to judge infallibility of a guru, you should

go ahead and judge him on these terms rather than bringing issues

like moon landing, big bang theory etc.....

 

Let me sum it up for you:

"Whether SP was right or wrong about moon landing will not affect

your mukti and consequently will not effect his capability to guide

anyone to mukti. However, if SP gives you incorrect knowledge about

the tattvas[described earlier] that will definately prevent your

mukti and will also make SP incapable of guiding anyone to mukti."

 

Mukti above, is defined in Vedanta Sutra style which says mukti is

attained through seeing brahman and does not means impersonal

liberation.

 

Infallibity of Guru should be judged on this sole criteria only.

After all what else is the purpose of a Guru except guiding one to

liberation, having himself attained that state ?

 

 

Your Servant Always,

Sumeet.

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I don't mind discussing the issue. But to be honest, I don't know

where this idea came from that a guru has to be omnisicient.

 

Isn't it more important that the guru be learned in shaastras and

able to convey their meaning? Who cares if Srila Prabhupada thought

NASA faked the moon landing? Isn't he allowed to have some doubts

about subject matters with which he is not personally familiar? Does

it make him any less a guru?

 

Does one have to be omnisicient to be a guru? Where is this stated?

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Hare Krishna,

 

Sorry for this delayed reply. I just brought up the "moon landing" issue to show

an example of something that Krishna didn't either directly speak about or

communicate through the scriptures. So, when a pure devotee comments on similar

issues, should we accept such comments as infallible? I'm not bothered about the

moon landing theories, per se.

 

Further, although, I brought up the specific case of Srila Prabhupada, my

question, I guess is more general. Is a guru infallible? Is there any sastric

evidence to support this? if he is considered a pure devotee, but not perfect

does that constitute an offense?

 

I hope I was a bit more clear.

 

in your service,

 

krishna_susarla <krishna_susarla wrote:

 

Aravind,

 

What are some other examples of things you feel Prabhupada may have

said that are taken too seriously on the grounds of "guru

infallibility" theory? This might help us provide context for the

discussion.

 

 

Aravind Mohanram

Ph.D. Candidate

Dept. of Mat Sci and Engg.,

Penn State University,

University Park, PA 16801

www.personal.psu.edu/aum105

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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