Bhaktisiddhanta and initiation

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Here are the passages I was referring to. It would be nice to know what

are the exact texts and verses Srila Bhaktisiddanta was referring to

when he mentions various scriptures. Also, is Bhaktisiddhanta is

saying that anyone can accept a diksa-mantra and become a brahmana?

That doesn't make sense to me since the unique characteristics of

leaders, businessmen, and broad-minded intellectuals are not easily

acquired. People (regardless of their parents' identities) are born

with certain natures. I would guess that accepting a diksa mantra puts

one in a purified position to be regarded for any of the four varnas.

Of course, in another sense, a Vaisnava is transcendental to all varnas.

 

-Gerald Surya

 

>From Brahmana O Vaisnava:

p.211

In this age of Kali, there is no other way of becoming purified.

asuddhah sudra-kalpa hi brahmanah kali-ambhavah | tesam agama-margena

suddhir na srota-vartmana || "The brahmanas born in this age of Kali

are merely sudras. Their so-called Vedic path of karma is polluted and

cannot purify them. They can only be purfied by following the path of

the agamas or pancaratras." Therefore at present, a brahmana should be

accepted as such only if he follows the rules and regulations of the

satvata agamas, tantras, or pancaratras, since the scripture clearly

mention that brahmanas born in this age of Kali are impure, or their

purity is not maintained through seminal descent.

 

p.226 The seminal method is not the only method for ascertaining who

is a brahmana. These topics are elaborately diescribed in

Kashmir-agama.

 

Both the above passages are from Pundarika Vidhyanidhi (Vrajraj Press,

1999). I can scan and email the Bengali if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

Antya 3.124

lokika-vishvAse haridAsa-ThAkura çaukra vA sAvitrya yajn~AdhikArI baliyA

paricita nA haile o nAmayajn~e dIkSita ha o yAya, vaidika

---->ekAyanashAkhI

daikSabrAhmaNa-rUpe nAma-yajn~a sAdhana karena.

 

(sorry, no translation)

 

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta on the Kiba vipra verse:

http://www.gosai.com/krishna-talk/brahmana-guru.html

 

Ei vakye vidhilikh prayoge vaisnava-visvasanugamane

krsna-tattva-vettara vrtta-brahmanatai svabhavika, sutaram

kalipracalita srotra-sambandha vyatita brahmanata yekhane haite pare

na, tat-sthale krsna-tattva-vitta haile srotra-sudra u sastriya

brahmanata labha kariya guru haite paren - ihai Sri Mahaprabhu

suksmabhave bujhaiya dilen. Ye sakala krsna-tattva-vita vaidika

vajasaneya sakhaurgata katyayana grha-sutrakta savitrya-samskara grhana

karena na, tahara - ekayana-sakhi daiksya-brahmana matra. Kintu

nirboddha lokera tahardig ke aneka samaya 'acyuta-brahman' baliya

bujhite na pariya nirayagami haya;

 

One who is conversant with the science of Krsna naturally has the

character of a brahmana. Therefore, wherever it is said that anything

apart from 'seminal brahmanism' is lower (a concept which has only been

introduced in the age of Kali) will not do, Mahaprabhu has carefully

given us the understanding that even a 'seminal sudra' who knows the

science of Krsna is able to become a guru because he has attained

scriptural brahmanism. Those acquainted with the science of Krsna who

do not accept the savitra-samskara (the ceremony of acceptance of the

sacred thread), which is mentioned in the Katyayana Grhya-sutra within

the Vedic Vajasaneya section, are actually all brahmanas initiated in

the ekayana system. However, most of the time, some foolish people

cannot understand that these Vaisnavas are infallible brahmanas (acyuta

brahmanas) and thus such fools become condemned to hell.