Nirguna -No qualities or spiritual qualities ?

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Hare Krishna,

 

Padma Purana Uttara Khanda 227.41 states:

 

yo'sau nirguna ityuktah sAstresu jagadishvarah

prAkrtairhaiyasamyuktair gunairhinatvamucyate !!

 

In the scriptures when the lord of the Universe is said to be devoid of

qualities (Nirguna) it means that He has no detestable material qualities.

 

Ahirbudhnya samhita 2.55 says

 

aprakrtagunasparsam nirgunam parigiyate srnu narada sadgunyam

 

Nirguna means non-material Guna or spiritual qualities.

 

when the sastras themselves say that Nirguna means beyond the 3 modes, what is

the necessity for the advaitins to call something as saguna and something as

Nirguna. According to the puranas, suddha sattva means Nirguna. There is no

difference between them.Any comments?

 

dasa

Narasimhan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare Hare

 

Dandavat pranam ji.

 

Here let the satra comment:

 

Katha Up. 1.3.10: Higher than senses >sense objects >mind >buddhi >soul

>avyakta.

Then it says: avyakta purusah para purusa na param kincit sa kastha para gatah.

The Purusa, the Personality of Godhead, is superior to the Avyakta. He is the

ultimate Entity beyond Avyakta, the supreme goal.

 

I think this one shlok is enough for the staunch followers of the Vedas and

Upanisads. There is no less, less, less = 0 (mayavad or shunyavad). Rather,

Above the formless and quality-less Brahman is Parabrahman. He is the ultimate

highest goal.

It would be nice that somebody gives the word for word translations and purports

to Gopal tapani Upanisad.

 

Ram Ram.

 

 

 

ranganathan narasimhan <simhan74 wrote:

Hare Krishna,

 

Padma Purana Uttara Khanda 227.41 states:

 

yo'sau nirguna ityuktah sAstresu jagadishvarah

prAkrtairhaiyasamyuktair gunairhinatvamucyate !!

 

In the scriptures when the lord of the Universe is said to be devoid of

qualities (Nirguna) it means that He has no detestable material qualities.

 

Ahirbudhnya samhita 2.55 says

 

aprakrtagunasparsam nirgunam parigiyate srnu narada sadgunyam

 

Nirguna means non-material Guna or spiritual qualities.

 

when the sastras themselves say that Nirguna means beyond the 3 modes, what is

the necessity for the advaitins to call something as saguna and something as

Nirguna. According to the puranas, suddha sattva means Nirguna. There is no

difference between them.Any comments?

 

dasa

Narasimhan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

achintya, avadhuta raya <avadhutaraya>

wrote:

> Hare Hare

 

> I think this one shlok is enough for the staunch followers of the

Vedas and Upanisads. There is no less, less, less = 0 (mayavad or

shunyavad). Rather, Above the formless and quality-less Brahman is

Parabrahman.

>

 

Brahmajyoti is formless but not "quality-less."

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Hare Hare

 

Thank you for your remark.

 

<Brahmajyoti is formless but not "quality-less."

 

Srila Prabhupada writes that Brahman is nirguna, without qualities. Srimad

Bhagavatam 11.15.17 mentions: nirgune—without qualities; brahmani—in Brahman;

mayi—in Me - Krishna's nirguna Brahman.

 

Any comments?

 

Tnx

 

ARd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare krishna,

 

Some advaitins claim that statements like Satyasya satyam or Satyam Param in

Srimad Bhagavatham establish gradations in Satya and hence vindicate sankara's

theory of 3 levels of sathyam. Any comments?

 

 

 

avadhuta raya <avadhutaraya wrote:

Hare Hare

 

Dandavat pranam ji.

 

Here let the satra comment:

 

Katha Up. 1.3.10: Higher than senses >sense objects >mind >buddhi >soul

>avyakta.

Then it says: avyakta purusah para purusa na param kincit sa kastha para gatah.

The Purusa, the Personality of Godhead, is superior to the Avyakta. He is the

ultimate Entity beyond Avyakta, the supreme goal.

 

I think this one shlok is enough for the staunch followers of the Vedas and

Upanisads. There is no less, less, less = 0 (mayavad or shunyavad). Rather,

Above the formless and quality-less Brahman is Parabrahman. He is the ultimate

highest goal.

It would be nice that somebody gives the word for word translations and purports

to Gopal tapani Upanisad.

 

Ram Ram.

 

 

 

ranganathan narasimhan wrote:

Hare Krishna,

 

Padma Purana Uttara Khanda 227.41 states:

 

yo'sau nirguna ityuktah sAstresu jagadishvarah

prAkrtairhaiyasamyuktair gunairhinatvamucyate !!

 

In the scriptures when the lord of the Universe is said to be devoid of

qualities (Nirguna) it means that He has no detestable material qualities.

 

Ahirbudhnya samhita 2.55 says

 

aprakrtagunasparsam nirgunam parigiyate srnu narada sadgunyam

 

Nirguna means non-material Guna or spiritual qualities.

 

when the sastras themselves say that Nirguna means beyond the 3 modes, what is

the necessity for the advaitins to call something as saguna and something as

Nirguna. According to the puranas, suddha sattva means Nirguna. There is no

difference between them.Any comments?

 

dasa

Narasimhan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare Krishna

Dandavats

 

In the beginning middle and the and in the whole Srimad Bhagavatam is only the

Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna glorified.

 

HERE ARE SOME COMMMNTS ON ATYA FROM BALADEVA VIDYABHUSANA

The word

satya is famous as a name for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Visnu.

The scriptures use the word satya in this way. For example, the Taittiréya

Upaniñad (2.1.2) says

satyaà jAnam anantam

(the unlimited Supreme Personality of Godhead is full of transcendental

knowledge)

and the Srimad-BhAgavatam (1.1.1)

says satyam param dhimahi (I meditate on the Supreme Personality of Godhead).

The word satyena is in the instrumental case to show in the sense of "because."

The meaning here is that one becomes an ativAdi (wise man) because of the satya,

the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The person who meditates on prAna is called

an ativAdi (wise man) because he is wise in comparison to they who meditate on

the series of objects mentioned previously, beginning with prAëa and culminating

in hope. But

he who meditates on Lord Visnu is superior to the person who meditates on prAëa.

Therefore he who meditates on Lord Visnu is the real, the best ativAdi (wise

man).

 

CONCLUSION

THE SUPREME LORD'S FORM IS NOT AN IMAGINARY CONVENIENCE MEANT ONLY FOR

CONCENTRATING THE MIND. THE UPANISADS (WITH WORDS LIKE SATYA, JNANA, ANANTA AND

ANANDA) POINT TO HIS TRANSCENDENTAL FORM AS THE HIGHEST REALITY. HIS FORM IS

NOT DIFFERENT FROM HIS TRANSCENDENTAL, BLISSFUL SELF.

(Vs. 3.2.16)

10.13.54

satya jnananantananda-

matraika-rasa-murtayah

asprsta-bhuri-mahatmya

api hy upanisad-drsam

satya--eternal; jnana--having full knowledge; ananta--unlimited; ananda--fully

blissful; matra--only; eka-rasa--always existing; murtayah--forms;

asprsta-bhuri-mahatmyah--whose great glory is not touched; api--even;

hi--because; upanisat-drsam--by those jnanis who are engaged in studying the

Upanisads.

TRANSLATION

The visnu-murtis all had eternal, unlimited forms, full of knowledge and

bliss and existing beyond the influence of time. Their great glory was not even

to be touched by the jnanis engaged in studying the Upanisads.

CHANDOGYA UPANISAD SIXTEENTH KHANDA

1. 'But in reality he is an ativadin who declares the Highest Being to be the

True (Satya).'

 

SATYA IS ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED BY TARA

 

The explanation of the word Sita From the Sita Upanisad goes as follows:

 

Text 4

sakarah satyam amrtam

praptih somas ca kirtyate

takaras tara-laksmya ca

vairajah prastarah smrta

sakarah - the letter s; satyam - satyam; amrtam - eternity; praptih -

attainment; somah - the moon; ca - and; kirtyate - is saud; takarah - the

letter t; tara - of the sacred syllable Om; laksmya - with the goddess of

fortune; ca - and; vairajah - the universal form; prastarah - manifested; smrta

- considered.

 

The letter S stands for satya" which means immortality" The letter TA

stands for tara" which means the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is

accompanied by the goddess of fortune".

 

In the Smrti-sAstra it is said:

satya-jnAnantAnanda-mAtraika-rasa-mUrtayah

"The forms of the Supreme Lord are undivided. They

are all full of eternity, knowledge, infinity, and bliss."

 

CONFIRMATION BY VEDANTA SUTRA

sa iva hi satyadayaH

sA - she; eva - indeed; hi - indeed; satya - truth;

Adayah - beginning with.

 

Indeed, she is those that begin with truth.

Purport by Srila Baladeva VidyabhUSana

In the SvetAsvatara Upanisad (6.8) it is said:

parAsya saktih

"The Supreme has a potency that is spiritual."

 

 

IN THE HIGHEST SENSE THE WORD SATYA REFERS ONLY TO KRISHNA

10.2.26

satya-vratam satya-param tri-satyam

satyasya yonim nihitam ca satye

satyasya satyam rta-satya-netram

satyatmakam tvam saranam prapannah

satya-vratam--the Personality of Godhead, who never deviates from His vow;

satya-param--who is the Absolute Truth (as stated in the beginning of

Srimad-Bhagavatam, satyam param dhimahi); tri-satyam--He is always present as

the Absolute Truth, before the creation of this cosmic manifestation, during its

maintenance, and even after its annihilation; satyasya--of all relative truths,

which are emanations from the Absolute Truth, Krsna; yonim--the cause;

nihitam--entered; ca--and; satye--in the factors that create this material world

(namely, the five elements--earth, water, fire, air and ether); satyasya--of all

that is accepted as the truth; satyam--the Lord is the original truth;

rta-satya-netram--He is the origin of whatever truth is pleasi ng (sunetram);

satya-atmakam--everything pertaining to the Lord is truth (sac-cid-ananda: His

body is truth, His knowledge is truth, and His pleasure is truth); tvam--unto

you, O Lord; saranam--offering our full surrender; prapannah--we are

completely under Your protection.

TRANSLATION

The demigods prayed: O Lord, You never deviate from Your vow, which is

always perfect because whatever You decide is perfectly correct and cannot be

stopped by anyone. Being present in the three phases of cosmic

manifestation--creation, maintenance and annihilation--You are the Supreme

Truth. Indeed, unless one is completely truthful, one cannot achieve Your favor,

which therefore cannot be achieved by hypocrites. You are the active principle,

the real truth, in all the ingredients of creation, and therefore you are known

as antaryami, the inner force. You are equal to everyone, and Your instructions

apply for everyone, for all time. You are the beginning of all truth. Therefore,

offering our obeisances, we surrender unto You. Kindly give us protection.

 

 

ranganathan narasimhan <simhan74 wrote:

Hare krishna,

 

Some advaitins claim that statements like Satyasya satyam or Satyam Param in

Srimad Bhagavatham establish gradations in Satya and hence vindicate sankara's

theory of 3 levels of sathyam. Any comments?