Discussion about 'Guru Maharaji' -- He should be killed

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Prabhupada: So what is the evidence that he is God? Anyone can say, "I am

God." Then, anyone will be accepted as God?

 

Hamsaduta: Well, I think they take it just on the strength of this, whatever

it is, experiences that they have. When they become initiated, they get some

kind of experience. So...

 

Prabhupada: What is that experience?

 

Hamsaduta: They say they see some light and...

 

Prabhupada: Light-seeing, he becomes God?

 

Hamsaduta: Well, people are so... That's the...

 

Devotee: Propaganda.

 

Prabhupada: Then you have to make propaganda against that, that simply

pushing two eyes... Anyone can push two eyes and there is natural some

light. Is that the proof that he has become God? You are so foolish? And you

say that God is, God has created the universe. So what he has created? What

he has done, wonderful thing? That simply by pushing your eyes, you see some

light, and you become God? You have become so foolish, European brain? You

have no intelligence. Preach against him. What is the proof that he is God?

Now, those who do not know anything about God, they can be convinced. Just

like -- what is called? -- agnostic. The agnostic... Sometimes we say that

there is a creator because everything, just we say, everything, whatever we

have got in our experience, it is created. So this gigantic universe or one

or many, there must be one creator. This is one hypothesis. So that creator,

if I accept this man, whether he can create something, such wonderful? Has

he done so? In this way, you have to make propaganda. So far our position

is, we accept God, Krsna, on the authority, as well as by the action, both.

We, we make hypothesis that there must be a creator. Vedanta says: "Yes,

there is a creator." And Krsna says, He says: "I am the creator of

everything." And when He was at, on this planet, He did so many wonderful

things. And He is accepted by big, big stalwarts. Just like Arjuna accepts.

He heard Bhagavad-gita. So before that, Narada accepts. Vyasadeva accepts.

Great... Later on, big, big acaryas accept. So these are the proof. But what

proof he can give that he's God, that we shall accept him God? Simply he

shows some light. We have to make some propaganda. That will be our

(indistinct). And he has to be... If we remain silent, then whatever he

says, that means we are accepting. So we should not allow this man to grow

popularity. We must make propaganda wherever meeting is there. I can kick on

the face of this (indistinct). I can urine on the face of... What can he do.

Let them. Let him come. If he's God, then let him kill me by his power. When

I go to kick on his face, let him stop me, then I shall accept that he's

God. So why don't you do that? He's saying God. You just kick on his face,

if he can do something... In this way, make some counter-propaganda. If we

allow him to go on, then so many people falsely being misled.

 

We don't allow anybody to pass on as God because we are presenting real God.

We must make process. The real process is to kill him. But that much power

we haven't got. We cannot do that. Otherwise, we would have done so. Nobody

should be allowed to claim as God. And severe punishment for him. Krsna has

shown this example.

Srutakirti: Someone showed me a small article in the newspaper the other day

in London. At one of his meetings, he was speaking and someone walked up to

him like he was going to hand him a bouquet of flowers, and instead he threw

a pie in his face.

 

Prabhupada: Eh?

 

Srutakirti: He threw a pie in his face. He appeared like he was going to

give him something. But he put a pie in his face.

 

Prabhupada: Pie?

 

Hamsaduta: A pie is a cake.

 

Srutakirti: A cake.

 

Hamsaduta: A apple cake...

 

Srutakirti: Pastry, pushed it in his face.

 

Prabhupada: Therefore, he became God?

 

Srutakirti: No! Therefore, I don't think he's very widely accepted as God.

 

Prabhupada: No. That's all right. But whatever propaganda, little, he has

made, we must make some counter-propaganda. We must prove him... Simply

pushing eyes, pushing eyes. And anyone can push one's eyes and there is some

light within... That is called retina light or... What is called? And he has

become God. At least, we, we should not allow the people to be in darkness

and accept him as God. We have got our meeting. We shall say: That he is a

rascal. Call him by all ill names. A cheater. He does not believe in the

authoritative scriptures. And he has become God? What he has done? How you

have become so foolish? God has created the universe, what he has created? A

cake, creating, He's God?

 

Hamsaduta: Ummh?

 

Prabhupada: He has created one cake?

 

Srutakirti: No, no. No.

 

Hamsaduta: No, you misunderstood the point.

 

Srutakirti: One person walked up to him and he threw a pie in his face. As

an insult, as insulting him.

 

Prabhupada: Oh. The man insulted him.

 

Srutakirti: Yes.

 

Prabhupada: So he should be insulted everywhere. Our men should go and do

that, pie. (laughter) And when you have to (indistinct) He's God. Why can't

you protect. He should have been killed. We have no such power. Otherwise, I

would have obliged to kill him. Anyone says God, he should be killed. That

is the example given by Krsna. He should be killed. No other remedy. Only

kill him. That's all. Then this false propaganda will stop.

 

How much degraded people have become that without any little evidence,

they're accepting a rascal as God. How much degraded they have become. That

is another thing. Because he has shown, by pushing the eyes, a light. That's

all... We have to see that how much degraded the persons are. They have no

even brain. What are the evidence, that he showed some light, and what else?

 

Hamsadüta: Some music.

 

Prabhupada: Some music.

 

Hamsadüta: They hear some music.

 

Prabhupada: Just see. That is the evidence of God. Where is in the sastra

that by pushing eyes, Krsna showed some light, and somebody...? He never did

with Arjuna like that. He showed His gigantic universal form. But He never

showed some light. So what is this nonsense? So we must make some propa...,

counter-propaganda. Because you spoke several things about him, but you did

not make any counter-propaganda upon him. You have studied him, but you have

never made any counter-propaganda.

 

Hamsadüta: Well we have, whenever they come, whenever we meet them.

 

Prabhupada: No, whenever you are meeting, "this rascal is going on as God.

This is mistaken. What profit...?" You have to speak there. What proof is

there? So consult with Bhagavan dasa and begin this propaganda. I have no

time... Therefore, I say: "I do not know this man. That's all right." To

avoid. But in a meeting, and you are going sankirtana. People are coming,

talking with you. So you make some propaganda, counter-propaganda. Although,

practically, he'll be finished, there is no doubt. Two, three years. The

Maharishi Mahesh yogi, also became very... Nobody cares for him now. (end)

 

Discussion about Guru Maharaji -- August 13, 1973, Paris