Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 Haribol I was giving a close reading to various Gita verses on "svabhava" and it is clear that there are two levels of it. One is changeable within one's life for example "karpanya-dosopahata-svabhavah" and Krishna asks Arjuna how this miserly svabhava came upon him. Sridhara Swami on 17.1-3 however, calls this attitude level of svabhava a "secondary differentiation" of the gunas to distinguish it [i think] from the a higher level of svabhava. The higher primary level is the one that comes with birth (saha-jam 18.48). That svabhava is intrinsic to the body and is an effect of one's prarabhda karma or manifested destiny. One's duty is svabhava-niyatam (dictated by the [primary] svabhava). Except for a few notable exceptions, one's prarabhda karma does not change even though Vidya Devi has the power to do so. Baladeva and most Vedanta commentators agree on this point. Therefore one's duty does not change. In the most advanced stage, a jivanmukta [in the Vaishnava sense] is able to do others work but even then he usually does not. And if many of the various associates of Lord Caitanya are considered to be liberated souls or at least jivanmuktas then there are so many examples of such who follow their own duty. Now, Vishakha devi dasi writes in her GBC presentation that duty is determined "by work (karma) and quality (guna) and not birth (janma)." This is fallacious and is exactly what Krishna is arguing against. One's duty is dependent on one's primary svabhava and that in turn correlates with one's condition of birth (saha-jam). Now there is the fourfold svabhava and the stri-svabhava. What is actually condemned is linking one's duty to jaati (which was only relevent in purer times and situations), but this distinction between jaati and janma is completely missed in Womens Ministry literature. Similarly, Srila Prabhupada's explanation of "kiba vipra..." has been grossly misunderstood as meaning that svabhavika-sudras and women can be diksa-gurus and brahmanas. What Lord Caitanya in his ecstasy over Ramananda Raya's example was condemning was jaati, not prescribed action by one's birth's svabhava. (Note-Ramananda Raya was a jaati-sudra but a svabhavika-raja-rishi). This dual level of svabhava is mentioned in Krsna Dharma's Mahabharata: > > > > *Vyasadeva to Dhrtarasthra proposing the King send > > Duryodhana to serve > > the Pandavas while they are in forest exile: "The > > nature a man acquires > > at birth stays with him throughout his life. It > > seems impossible that > > Duryodhana would ever be able to humble himself > > before the Pandavas or > > anyone else." Duryodhana's pride is a secondary level svabhava, hence the use of the word "seems." Does all this make sense? I am interested in doing a search on "svabhava" in the whole Mahabharata and show that these are two main ways that it is used. Where is the searchable site? Where is the main Mahabharata site? GS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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