Guest guest Posted May 7, 2001 Report Share Posted May 7, 2001 Haribol [We were discussing whether Lord Rama appears in every Treta yuga or only once per kalpa.] > Vishnu-purana: "In the Treta yuga He assumes the form of chakravarti, the world > monarch, to punish the wicked and maintain the the three worlds." Again, Vishnu assumes the forms of rulers (cakravarti) to correct the situation in the Treta yugas. Ramachandra is undoubtedly an example of a "cakravarti" who appeared in a certain Tretayuga, but is He its *exclusive* referent? What do the commentators (Sridhara Swami) exactly say? In regards to the dating of the Ramayana, there has not been a single reference anywhere indicating that Lord Rama enacted the Ramayana pastime more than once in this kalpa (i.e. in the 24th caturyuga according to Laghu Bhagavatamrta and several Puranas). [The sequence of events is as follows: 1.Krishna instructs Vivasvan at least 120 M yrs ago 2.Vivasvan instructs Manu 3.Manu instructs Iksvaku 4.King Nimi (father of Janaka) learns Bhagavadgita according to Iksvaku's parampara (his reign was just before Rama episode) 5.the Rama episode 6. Krishna instructs Arjuna 5000 yrs ago] Therefore the Bhagavad-gita chapter 4 purport indicating Iksvaku's instruction has to be interpreted as having occurred prior to 20 million years ago and not merely 2 million years ago. Srila Prabhupada's use of the term "roughly" indicates antiquity, rather than precision or even approximation, if it is to be read consistently with Sastra. ys Gerald Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2001 Report Share Posted May 8, 2001 > [The sequence of events is as follows: > 1.Krishna instructs Vivasvan at least 120 M yrs ago > 2.Vivasvan instructs Manu > 3.Manu instructs Iksvaku > 4.King Nimi (father of Janaka) learns Bhagavadgita according to Iksvaku's > parampara (his reign was just before Rama episode) > 5.the Rama episode > 6. Krishna instructs Arjuna 5000 yrs ago] > > Therefore the Bhagavad-gita chapter 4 purport indicating Iksvaku's > instruction has to > be interpreted as having occurred prior to 20 million years ago and not > merely 2 million years ago. Srila Prabhupada's use of the term "roughly" > indicates antiquity, rather than precision or even approximation, if it is to > be read consistently with Sastra. We seem to agree on the sequence, but disagree that it 'must' have occured 20 million years ago. Just for the sake of argument, if we take the sequence of events above, why must it be 20 million years ago (ignoring any other evidence and only focussing on this sequence). For such a statement to be true, one would have to establish the date of Ikshvaku and/or King Nimi. _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 In a message dated 5/8/01 11:15:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jn writes: >> [The sequence of events is as follows: >> 1.Krishna instructs Vivasvan at least 120 M yrs ago >> 2.Vivasvan instructs Manu >> 3.Manu instructs Iksvaku >> 4.King Nimi (father of Janaka) learns Bhagavadgita according to Iksvaku's parampara (his reign was just before Rama episode) >> 5.the Rama episode >> 6. Krishna instructs Arjuna 5000 yrs ago] > > We seem to agree on the sequence, but disagree that it 'must' > have occured 20 million years ago. Just for the sake of > argument, if we take the sequence of events above, why must it > be 20 million years ago (ignoring any other evidence and only > focussing on this sequence). For such a statement to be true, > one would have to establish the date of Ikshvaku and/or King > Nimi. > The Ramayana has been dated at 24th caturyuga (20 million yrs ago) in multiple places including Rupa Gosvami's Laghubhagavatamrta and there is not even a shastric hint of any other date. So in light of the above sequence, that instruction occurred at least 20 million years ago. Gerald S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 > The Ramayana has been dated at 24th caturyuga (20 million yrs ago) in > multiple places including Rupa Gosvami's Laghubhagavatamrta and there Let's see the original Sanskrit for these claims -- please. As I mentioned before, if we are going to start reinterpreting the otherwise clear statements of Srila Prabhupada, we had best have the explicit evidence by which to do it. Otherwise we have no business to even question Srila Prabhupada's purports. is not > even a shastric hint of any other date. So in light of the above sequence, > that instruction occurred at least 20 million years ago. Again, I must insist that explicit pramaanas be brought up to prove this. We already have Srila Prabhupada's Bhaktivedanta purport that says otherwise. There is no precedent for reinterpreting it unless an explict pramaana exists that would necessitate such a reexamination. So far, i have not yet seen Laghubhaagavatamrita quoted at all, and I do not accept statements that are claimed to be translations of the same without the original text. Please respect Achintya's standards in this regard -- achintyaachintya_rules.htm yours, Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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