Guest guest Posted May 18, 2001 Report Share Posted May 18, 2001 "-- in the apparent difference in appearance of the various and infinite forms of the Supreme Being, which are all identical is essence and each of which though appearing to be different, is the complete Supreme Being with all His attributes and aspects. On this issue, ISKCON have a different concept, where some forms of the Lord are considered to be more complete than the others -- which is totally repugnant to Tattvavada." (PPV) In Krishna sandarbha 28.17-18, Jiva Gosvami quotes from the Varaha Purana on the fundamental identity of all expansions: "The first [type of amsha] called svaamsha is absolutely identical with the whole, of which it is a part. It has all the powers, the nature and the condition of the original; there is not the slightest difference between it and its prototype." a.mshino yat tu saamaarthya.m yat svaruupa.m yathaa sthitiH || tadeva naanumaatro'pi bhedaH svaa.mshaamshino kvachit | Therefore to state that the Gaudiyas believe in a fundamental difference between the various forms of God is a sheer misrepresentation. Gaudiyas also accept the identity of God and (1) His name (namanaminor abheda-Padmapurana), (2) His own organs (angani--Brahma samhita 5.32), (3) His body (deha-dehi-bhidA cAtra na-Ishvare vidyate kvacit--Kurma-purana in Laghu bhagavatmrta 5.342), (4) His qualities (guNaiH svarUpa-bhUtais tu guNyasau harir IshvaraH | na viSNor na ca muktAnAM kvApi bhinno guNo mataH"--Brahmatarka in Laghubhagavatmrta). . (5) with His own form as it changes in the course of a given pastime All these various identifications are related ultimately to the idea of visesa which is explained by Baladeva in Govindabhasya 3.2.31 and his Prameya ratnavali. (Incidentally, this was also explained by Sri Madhva in his puport to SB 11.7.49 from the Brahma-tarka which specifically refers to the identity of the form (svarupa) and the possessor of the form (svarupin)). Gerald Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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