Chaitanya-Madhva meeting?

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> What exactly is meant here about the meeting between

> Lord Chaitanya and Sripada Madhvacarya?

 

According to Gaudiya Vaishnava Acharya's, such as Bhaktivinoda Thakur, Sri

Chaitanya met with the heads of all sampradayas in his aprakata-lila, or

unmanifested pastimes. Bhaktivinoda Thakur, through his revelation, has

recorded these meetings in the text Navadvipa Mahatmya. The same meetings

have been recorded by Vyasa in the Bhavishya Purana in the form of future

predictions.

 

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achintya, Sanjay Dadlani <dark_knight_9> wrote:

> Haribol!

>

> What exactly is meant here about the meeting between

> Lord Chaitanya and Sripada Madhvacarya?

 

Actually, the fault is probably mine for muddying the waters.

Originally I read "Sri Gauranga-Madhva meeting" and read it as "Sri

Gauranga-Maadhva meeting" i.e. the meeting between Mahaaprabhu and

the Maadhvas at Udupi. Many people don't transliterate, and

so "Maadhva" and "Madhva" become indistinguishable. In retrospect,

H.H. Vishvesha Tiirtha may have been referring to the account in

Navadviipa Mahaatmya regarding the unmanifest pastime of Mahaaprabhu

meeting Sri Aananda Tiirtha himself.

 

That being the case, I would hardly consider it as a "propaganda"

that would "stir up bad feelings." I suspect H.H. has been

misinformed. That said, it doesn't help either that devotees refer to

this pastime and its mention in Bhaktivinod Thaakur's writings as

unmistakeable proof that it did in fact occur. There are some issues

of epistemology here that devotees need to be aware of, one of which

is that only the Vedas themselves enjoy universal acceptance among

the Vedaantic schools. Supposedly this account is also found in

Bhavishya Puraana, which in theory should also be accepted (or at

least respected) by others.

 

I actually have the Bhavishya Puraana in Sanskrit, and I would

appreciate knowing where exactly in the text the account can be

found. I would be happy to transliterate or scan in those verses and

make them available.

 

yours,

 

Krishna

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> I actually have the Bhavishya Puraana in Sanskrit,

 

Hare Krsna

Please accept my obeisances.

Do you also have in English? Can I find it somewhere on internet?

thank you

ys Dvarkadhis das

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> Do you also have in English? Can I find it somewhere on internet?

 

As far as I know, there are no English translations of Bhavishya Purana at

present. There is a project by Motilal Banarsidas (publishers of Indological

books) to publish an English translation, but I do not know when it will be

completed (I would guess after many, many years).

 

In regards to an English translation of Bhavishya Purana, it was something

we were planning to work on. We had sent a letter to a few pulishers hoping

to find someone interested. There was some interest, but not enough to get

us started on the work. Here is one of the letters I had sent; it has a

general explanation of the subject matter of the Bhavishya Purana:

 

 

Dear ...,

 

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

Myself and Atmatattva prabhu (a disciple of Srila Prabhupada from Tamil

Nadu) are planning to work on a translation of Bhavishya Purana, and we are

looking for someone who would be interested in publishing it.

 

The Bhavishya Purana contains aproximately 14,500 verses. The name literally

means "History of the Future". It contains accurate predictions of every

major event in world history from the beginning of Kali yuga to the present

time and beyond. A few of the predictions included are the appearance of

Jesus, Mohammad, Adam and Eve, Noah and the flood, the past world wars, and

the future world war yet to come. There are detailed predictions regarding

the present times just prior to the manifestation of the Golden Age,

including predictions of new diseases, natural disasters, changes in world

geography, and the eventual failure of technology.

 

The manuscript we have has a section predicting the appearance of Sri

Chaitanya and the six Goswamis, as well as other acharyas such as Ramanuja,

Madhva, Shankara, etc.

 

Bhaktivinoda's Navadvipa Mahatmya is partially based on portions of the

Bhavishya Purana. His descriptions of the previous acharyas (such as Madhva,

Ramanuja, and Shankara) meeting Sri Chaitanya in His unmanifested pastimes

is recorded in this manuscript of Bhavishya Purana.

 

The detail found in this text is quite unbelievable. This is one of the

reasons that it was rejected by indologists such as Max Mueller, and even by

some modern ISKCON scholars such as ....

 

>From a traditional perspective, the Bhavishya Purana is listed as one of the

18 maha-puranas in all the famous lists found in the puranas (for example

one may refer Vishnu Purana 3.6.20-23). The puranas themselves assert it was

authored by Vyasadeva just at the outset of Kali yuga. To reject it based on

the fact that it is too acurate in predicting future events is not logical

for a devotee. If Vyasa, an incarnation of the Lord, were to write a book

with the title "The History of the Future", we should expect that it will

contain accurate predictions of the future.

 

To my knowledge, Bhavishya Purana is one of the only major ancient sanskrit

works that has never been translated into English (and probably no other

western language as well). There is a great demand for an English

translation of this text, both from devotees and the general public. That is

one of the reasons we have chosen to undertake this project.

 

The Bhavishya Purana is written in a somewhat coded manner that requires a

proper explanation. The style and gramar used is unique only to this Purana.

We will include an explanatory introduction, as well as chapter explanations

(when necessary) to explain the poetic style used in making predictions.

 

If such a project would interest you, please reply with your terms and

conditions.

 

Your servant,

 

Jahnava Nitai Das,

Bhaktivedanta Ashram,

http://www.indiadivine.com

 

 

 

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